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 How Saul created Christianity
The historical Jesus and the Christ of Faith are not simply differing representations of the same person as the author of Acts would have us believe. The Christ and Jesus are as different as Tom and Jerry.

Whilst, as I have previously pointed out, we lack contemporary evidence of Jesus, nevertheless, it is possible to construct an approximation of his ideas and behaviours. We can do this through a critical use of the sources that are available to us. The first and most important thing to note about Jesus was that he was an observant Jew. He fully accepted the Torah (the first five books of the Bible), with all that that implied: the keeping of the Sabbath, the observance of the dietary rules, the celebration of the passover and other festivals, etc. Secondly, it is equally clear that he was a religious teacher, as was his cousin, John, and his brother, James.

It is also evident that he was seen as a potential Messiah. Now the Messiah is a very specifically Jewish role. The Messiah would be of the House of David. He would bring the Kingdom of God. This kingdom would occur in the here and now. It would bring about peace on earth and all would recognise the one, true God. So, in the context, this would necessarily involve the overthrow of the Roman colonisers and those who colluded with their rule, such as the Sadducees. Thus, Jesus' mission was unite the various factions of Israel, overthrow Roman imperial rule, and institute the Kingdom of God, ie, peace on earth.

After Jesus was crucified by the Romans for sedition, the people who had known him continued to believe in his Way. They remained observant Jews and James, the brother of Jesus, was their first leader.

If that had been the end of the story, it is unlikely that we would ever have heard anything about Jesus. There have, after all, been many Messiah claimants at one time or another. However, that was not the end of the story, for a Hellenised Jew, by the name of Saul, who had repudiated his Jewish identity, underwent a mystical, spiritual experience in which he felt himself redeemed in Christ.

Saul, now Paul, with all the ardour of faith, set about trying to persuade everyone else of the veracity of his Christ vision. However, he did not turn to the people who had known Jesus, rather he turned to the Gentiles of the Roman Empire.

If one reads Paul's letters, from this perspective, what stands out above all is how Paul makes no reference to the actual practices and teachings of Jesus. In terms of salesmanship, this was a master stroke. The cutting of this tie with the historical Jesus enabled Paul to deny the necessity of the Torah. The benefit of this was immeasurable. It meant that circumcision was not required. It meant that meat from animals that had been killed in pagan temples could be eaten. It meant that all the Jewish scriptures could be ignored. It removed the burden of Sabbath observance, etc.

Moreover, Paul's vision of the Christ, was an eclectic weaving together of religious elements that were already very familiar to his audience: the divine human, the virgin birth, the death and resurrection, and salvation through the eating and drinking of the body and blood of a god. These were all common elements of the pagan religions. They were all equally alien to the Jews.

It is not surprizing then to discover that when the people who had known Jesus, and continued to follow his Way, discovered what Paul was preaching, they were horrified and denounced his teachings as false. Paul was equally vehement in his denunciations of the Jews. Indeed the Letter to the Galatians, which was specifically written to deny the need to observe the Torah, claims that all Jews are cursed by God. It was in this way that Paul hi-jacked the person of Jesus as a figure-head for his new religion of Christ, and stripped Jesus of his historical context to justify the repudiation of the Torah, the religion of Jesus.

This radical re-working of the image of Jesus with the mysteries of the Mediterranean religions ensured that Paul's religion was accessible to all, except observant Jews. The later writer of the Acts, once the repudiation of Judaism had been securely established, was able to fabricate a link back to the religion of Jesus, through a mythical conference between Paul and James, and thus establish an ancient heritage for the new found religion, which greatly enhanced its status, especially in the eyes of the Romans.

    Posted by stevehayes13 on 2009-11-04 12:08:37 | Rating: | Views: 121
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You, sir, are an avid historian. Your points are well made. What are yout thoughts on other books of the Bible - fact, fiction, embellishment, or other? Amen.
Posted by  Amen  on 2009-11-04 12:33:49 
  
Hey, I cannot do the whole Bible in one go. No one would listen to me; but I can take one piece at a time and show that the dogmatic position is wrong. That is what I am doing. One piece at a time.
Posted by  stevehayes13  on 2009-11-04 12:41:55 
  
What??????????????? God created heaven adn earth in 6 days and you are unable to do a simple little book???? Curses! ;-) Amen
Posted by  Amen  on 2009-11-04 13:10:15 
  
Well done, sir.
Posted by  Firewater  on 2009-11-04 13:57:31 
  
Paul was more involved with the Greeks than the Romans that was mostly Peter & John.

This very political treatment of religion is the norm in Europe and why Ieft the church for many years.
It was reading about the Copts that got me studying the books again, which led me to the Deistic Christian Universalist work of Jefferson, which practically sung to me like Pope Benny's little bird. I simply rang true not necessarily true like history but, true like good advice.

I suggest anyone who wants to see the closest example of what I believe to be what Christ was hoping/working for should study the Copts, as they've been isolated since the 3rd ecumenical council and free of all the empire building lunacy which haunts Europe and all of us of European descent. They kept to many of the old ways including a family line for priests they claim their bishops are direct descendants of Matthew.

However I utilize the tool of religion more in the fashion proscribed by Jefferson as a scale to measure the nature of my actions before I commit to them, as opposed to a tool to paint my actions with extrapolations picked to substantiate my goal.

One of my most feverent hopes is that God exists because there are people so despicable we can't hope to properly punish their acts and if he can simply make them what they did, that fulfills some desire for justice that i know is beyond us. Example: How many time would it take of killing Hitler, how long would we have to torture him, how many circumcisions would he have to perform to atone for his acts? God however can at the moment of his rapture fill his heart with every sorrow he every spread and the punishment is within him & God too cal humble him with forgiveness the next minute. I can't do any of that and I doubt even Tony Robbins could manipulate someone that well. So again God represents an unattainable yet desired ideal.

I must say this was a much less derogatory exploration of your subject and for that I thank you.
Posted by  Munkyman  on 2009-11-05 01:58:57 
  
Moi: derogatory? Never.
Posted by  stevehayes13  on 2009-11-05 02:08:41 
  
Actually, if you want to get close to the historical Jesus, the Ebionites would be the group to look to.
Posted by  stevehayes13  on 2009-11-05 02:11:30 
  
Thanks I couldn't remember the name of those in the Church of Jerusalem they too. Those that followed Thomas also seem to have kept very close to their roots.
Posted by  Munkyman  on 2009-11-05 14:52:44 
  
OK Steve:I know a challenge when I see one. I really don't have time for this..but i don't like disinformation passed off as fact. so..once and once only.. I am not going to get in a pissing match. by paragraph: 1) yes he is. you're confusing the Christ of faith with the Cardboard Jesus the fundamentalists are trying to pass off. and unless you accept the scriptures as history there is no historical Jesus because there's no history otherwise. And.. to try and find the "historical Jesus" means using the tools of Archeology..looking in the tombs. He's not there. unless you know the Christ of faith don't make statements about Him.2)except for the scriptures there are no contemporary sources. no, it is not possible to construct an approximation of his behaviors. not from memories 30 years old. it is possible to approximate what impact the behavior had.. but not the behavior. we have only the slightest fraction of his behavior over a three year period. and he always did the unexpected. Jesus observed his own brand of Judaism.. but not Judaism as it was then practiced. He accepted the spirit of the Torah.. not the literal rigid version that the hierarchy had developed. he broke both Sabbath and Dietary rules as they were then accepted. I find it interesting that you will accept Lukes version of Jesus's family but not his words in Acts.3) that is how the prophet Isaiah described the Messiah..but the jews never understood it. their version of peace on earth was a world ruled by a benevolent King of a new, reconstituted Israel..a new David. and that did mean removing the roman presence from Judea. 4)some did, some didn't.. but the trend was away from Judaism rather quickly. there were almost immediate conversions by "God-fearers" gentiles who were attracted to Judaism's piety and monothiesm but repelled by strict law. Cornelius, from Acts 11 is a good example.once it became clear that these people had under gone the same transformation of spirit that the Jewish believers had, Judaism's influence waned rapidly. Sunday worship was one manifestation. the Didache shows that by 100 AD it was already a longstanding tradition. James was only one of the leaders of the early church. He was known more for his Piety than his leadership- his nickname was "Old Camel Knees" from the callusses he built up in prayer. Lukes report of the council of Jerusalem says that the report from Antioch was given to "apostles and elders" not James.. but he is the one that reminds them that scripture predicted this..a view you say he didn't have.5) yes,we would. Christianity was established and thriving before Paul. it would have continued to do so. and felt is a pretty weak word to describe Pauls conviction.6)after being implicit in their persecution.. would you? his first preaching was to Jews in Damascus.. He didn't begin preaching to gentiles until Barnabus brought him out of self-imposed exile (almost cetainly with the blessing of the Jerusulem Church.. of which Barnabas was an emmisary)7) Paul doesn't use the words of Jesus because there was no consensus. there were probably many versions floating around.. and rather than be caught up in controversy he wisely decided to concentrate on the transformation brought about by belief in a crucified Christ. the schisms you describe were in place before Paul.8) no religion ever claimed a virgin birth. women were impregnated by Gods in human form. and eating and drinking "flesh and blood" got early Christians accused of cannibalism.9)
not so. He wasn't universally loved.. but rejection? not even close.some of his views.. we sleep after death..weren't widely accepted but his major thesis..Romans.. certainly was. and he never rejected Judaism.. just the rigid legalism.. the last quarter of Romans is a plea to the faith he loved.. Galatians is written about a very judaistic sect of Christianity.. not Jews. 10)the tired old cliche of tying Christianity to the "Mystery religions" is untrue. The Romans, if they noticed Christianity at all, thought they were some form of them.. which is where this falsehood comes from. Christians went out of their way to avoid identification with Isis, Astarte, Mithras, et al. and how could it improve a status they didn't have? it wasn't until Pliny's letter to Trajan in 112 that any Roman took notice of them.
I really don't know where this version of history comes from.. but it doesn't hold water. I spent most of last year.. over 8 months.. in a study of Revelations and my notes show i consulted 400 different texts.. most studies of the first century church. none espoused anything like this.
Posted by  pastormike  on 2009-11-05 23:01:20 
  
'unless you know the Christ of faith don't make statements about Him': as one who is committed to freedom of speech I do not accept that only christians can talk about this subject.
Posted by  stevehayes13  on 2009-11-05 23:23:29 
  
talk all you want but don't pass it off as knowledge. you had a tone of certainty in this post that was not warranted. call it speculation, which it is,and we're fine.
Posted by  pastormike  on 2009-11-06 00:29:25 
  
Oh, I am calling it knowledge.
Posted by  stevehayes13  on 2009-11-06 00:31:29 
  
if Iwere to say"the Bhuddah of history and the Bhuddah of the Dalai Lama are not the same; are completely different"... I would be making statements I can't back up.I don't know the Dalai Lama's bhuddah..haven't experienced the mystical connection he has obviously made. I don't know how his Bhuddah corresponds to the written record.. so I'll make no such statements. But..I see in his life fulfillment of the ideals I know the historical Bhuddah expounded and would say the two seem to be the same.. I would aprecciate that same respect.
Posted by  pastormike  on 2009-11-06 12:54:02 
  
Why is it that the religious seem to think that what ever they may believe cannot be subject to the same kind of critical analysis as the non-religious? May be I should write a post about the so called Council of Jerusalam?
Posted by  stevehayes13  on 2009-11-06 13:26:02 
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