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EQUAL WITH GOD
Read John 5:1–23
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:18 NKJV
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This passage in John is one of the strongest proofs that Jesus claimed to be one with the Father. The reason they wanted to kill Him was that He claimed equality with God. He not only said He was able to give life — He demonstrated it by raising people from the dead, and eventually rising from the dead Himself.
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Men and women come to our doors today claiming that they believe in Jesus, but not in the Trinity. They cannot honestly believe in the Jesus of the Bible, without making Him a liar, because He claimed deity for Himself. He was more than a good teacher - He was and is God.
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Lord, help me to give a confident and kind answer to those who come to my door with a false teaching about Jesus. Perhaps some day one of them will be searching for the real Jesus.
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For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it . . . that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him. John 5:21, 23 NIV
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Posted by sharetheword on 2008-07-29 10:14:00 | Rating: | Views: 192
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1 Corinthians 8:5-6 (English-NIV)
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"),
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
This scripture plainly points out that for us (believers) there is only one God the Father and Jesus is our only Lord.
You cannot make this scripture say anything else without misquoting it. It is very straight forward and to the point. The amazing thing about this scripture is the fact that it is not isolated. The Bible is full of scriptures that teach us that the Father is the one true God and Jesus Christ is his Son.
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Posted by tonyrayhutchison
on 2008-07-24 23:34:56
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Please understand that I am not Jehovah Witness nor do I uphold there beliefs. I am simply a man who dedicated 12 years to the study of all things Judeo-Christian and only believe the word, taken in its entirety, unblemished by "our" individual understanding. I dont like Christians or the hypocrisy of the organized church. I worship a God who gave us his perfect understanding, IF we chose to understand. This was not meant as a personal attack on you or your beliefs, it just seemed it was open for discussion.
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Posted by tonyrayhutchison
on 2008-07-24 23:45:27
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You said,
"The Bible is full of scriptures that teach us that the Father is the one true God and Jesus Christ is his Son."
You said,
" I dont like Christians or the hypocrisy of the organized church"
If you believe that Jesus is the Son of the One True God, then have you accepted Him into your life? We are told that "we know we have passed from death unto life because we love the brethren."
Jesus Christ is the head of the church and we are called the body of Christ. Specific instructions are given for planting churches and appointing pastors, etc.
The church is not perfect, we are sinners who have trusted in Jesus Christ. What is not to love about Him?
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Posted by sharetheword
on 2008-07-25 00:44:29
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"there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." 1 Cor 8:6b
Is this what Jesus Christ is to you?
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Posted by sharetheword
on 2008-07-25 00:47:10
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What makes you a Christian? I am far from Christ like, and cannot accept that title. As far as "the brethren" my brethren love the Father. They show there love by obeying his word, and serving the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
As far as accepting Him into my life, if you are asking am I saved I must answer No. Not in the way modern Chritianity teaches this doctrine. However I serve my Lord, and obey His word to the best of my ability, tho this flesh has little ability these days.
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Posted by tonyrayhutchison
on 2008-07-25 00:57:09
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Bless you Sister
We know the truth and it's the truth that set us free Amen
Agape
Rest in His peace and Joy
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Posted by Christianthoughts
on 2008-07-25 07:02:00
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The word "Christian" was actually given to the early church by other people. So whether you call yourself that doesn't really matter.
The Scripture you quoted was "there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." 1 Cor 8:6b
I was asking you if He is your Lord and Saviour as this verse indicates. It is admirable that you are serving Him and obeying His Word to the best of your ability.
I would refer to Scripture in defining what it means to be "saved."
Ephesians 2:7-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."
"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them."
Ephesians 3:17-19
that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height -- to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
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Posted by sharetheword
on 2008-07-25 20:24:31
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God bless his word
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Posted by good_news
on 2008-07-25 23:27:08
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In regard to the Trinity, I read this passage this morning in my devotions.
Philippians 2:5-11
5 Let this same attitude and purpose and [humble] mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus: [Let Him be your example in humility:]
6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained,
7 But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being.
8 And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross!
9 Therefore [because He stooped so low] God has highly exalted Him and has freely bestowed on Him the name that is above every name,
10 That in (at) the name of Jesus every knee should (must) bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 And every tongue [frankly and openly] confess and acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
AMP
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Posted by sharetheword
on 2008-07-29 10:18:59
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Of course, verses 10 and 11 have yet to be fulfilled, but one day everyone will have to acknowledge Him as Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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Posted by sharetheword
on 2008-07-29 10:21:21
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"Ele Ele Lama shabakthani" if jesus christ is the one true God , then why he pray like this?
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Posted by Keraleeyan
on 2008-07-29 12:40:42
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We are told to love one another. I believe that means we must show love to those who profess not to respect us as Christians. Isiah 42 v 16
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Posted by overthehillandfar...
on 2008-07-29 15:57:07
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Karaleeyan said,
"Ele Ele Lama shabakthani" if jesus christ is the one true God , then why he pray like this?
Actually, Jesus words on the cross echo the prophetic words of David in the Old Testament "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me."
It is not a simple matter for us to completely understand the relationship between God the Father and God the Son.
It is explained some in Phillipians 2:5-7 above. Part of which I will quote here:
7 But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being.
8 And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross!"
As I understand it, Jesus was fully God and fully man as Mary was His biological mother and God His biological Father. The Bible says that as a man He was tempted in all points just as we are so that he is able to identify with us. That would include the horror He felt as the Father turned His back on Him on the cross. Remember that the sin of the world was placed on Him as He died in our place.
But fortunately for us, Jesus had the power not only to lay down His life but to take it up again in the ressurection. He was victorious over sin and death and now He is back at the right hand of the Father interceding for us.
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotton Son, that whosoever believes in Him will not perish, but have everlasting life."
John 3:16
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Posted by sharetheword
on 2008-07-29 23:46:23
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Is not it a injustice to the women , that God doesnt gave birth to a daughter, since humanity consists of both men and women?
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Posted by Keraleeyan
on 2008-07-30 08:20:52
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That is a very good question Keraleeyan.
The Bible teaches that we inherited our sinful nature from Adam, not from Eve. It says that Eve was deceived but Adam sinned willfully.
Jesus became a man to represent the human race, male and female (sometimes referred to as man or mankind) as a sacrifice for our sin.
Romans 5:18-19
Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man's (Adam) disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's (Christ) obedience many will be made righteous.
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1 Corinthians 15:21-23
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
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Romans 5:17
For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the one, Jesus Christ.
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Galatians 3:27-29
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
NKJV
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Posted by sharetheword
on 2008-07-30 11:13:34
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"Actually, Jesus words on the cross echo the prophetic words of David in the Old Testament "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me."
Forsaken means to abandon. Then Jesus Christ himself had suffered so much that he felt abandoned by God?...is that the point we must reach in order to believe? He knew he was God's Son...and knew that everything was in God's hand...and yet, in the end, he still had that doubt. It contradicts itself, no?
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Posted by LuckyLuci
on 2008-07-30 14:14:46
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u know one thing that if we consider the whole galaxies and celestial bodies the earth is like a grain in the whole sand in the earth may be less than that( then imagine size of men in it) .And to this u are saying that god himself came to take responsibility of human sin(it includes father raping his four year old daughter,sister was raped by brother). Then who had been take care of the the billions of galaxies when the jesus was in earth. U think God is scared of human? whats the need of god to take care of silly humans in his head?
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Posted by Keraleeyan
on 2008-07-30 15:08:51
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fine Jesus may have quated scripture as he hung on the cross, but did he not say "Father if it be thine will, take this cup from my hand. However, not my will, but thine be done"
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Posted by tonyrayhutchison
on 2008-07-30 16:30:19
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forgive my spelling I'm writting on the fly
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Posted by tonyrayhutchison
on 2008-07-30 16:33:10
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First of all, Luci,I have to say that I do not pretend to understand the mind of God or of Jesus as he hung on the cross.
I do not believe He doubted God's love or had any doubt about what was happening. I don't think the greatest pain for Him was physical. Remember, He became sin for us and God the Father turned from Him until Jesus said, "It is finished" and gave up His spirit. We have no idea the agony that caused Him.
From that point on, He delivered all of those who had believed throughout history into the presence of God the Father. On the third day He arose as He promised He would.
Because of His ability to represent us and our sin and then overcome death - even so we who believe in Him will immediately go into the presence of Jesus and the Father when we die.
I hope I have been able to explain as I would like, but we are talking about very important truths and I definitely want to represent them carefully.
Thank you for commenting.
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Posted by sharetheword
on 2008-07-30 19:28:24
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The Psalmist David asked the same question, Karaleeyan, when he said,
"When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers,The moon and the stars, which You have ordained, What is man that You are mindful of him,
And the son of man that You visit him?
Psalms 8:3-4 NKJV
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Posted by sharetheword
on 2008-07-30 19:46:56
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In answering the question of what God accomplished in sending His Son, the book of Hebrews says,
"Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage." Hebrews 2:14-16 NKJV
This world is still under the power of Satan and will be until Christ returns.
I want to clarify something I may not have made clear. Forgiveness of sin is offered to "whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
The unrepentant father who raped his daughter, and all unrepentant horrible things will receive just punishment, along with the Devil.
But the sinner who repents and turns to God through belief in Jesus Christ will be forgiven.
"For Christ did not come into the world to condemn the world but that the world through Him might be saved." Joun 3:17
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Posted by sharetheword
on 2008-07-30 19:50:15
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fine Jesus may have quated scripture as he hung on the cross, but did he not say "Father if it be thine will, take this cup from my hand. However, not my will, but thine be done"
Yes, He did.
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