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The United States

2009-11-22T15:13:38-05:00

This is an answer to a comment posted by GeorgesBlog:

GeorgesBlog wrote:
Study the references I gave you. You are not discussing those relevant issues.

Ron Allen answers:
I will decide what issues are relevant or interesting to me. You have made comments to my
messages, and I have answered your comments. I do not intend to read original textual
readings composed by you, dealing with topics which you are interested in. I will answer
your comments when I feel like it. I am slightly interested in learning from you, but so far I
have not learned anything substantive, notable, interesting, or valuable from reading your
disorienting and bewildering comments.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
There can be no common ground for discussion until you do.

Ron Allen answers:
I did not initiate conversation with you. You offered comments to what I wrote. I do not seek
common ground with you, because so far your comments have seemed like the bizarre
outbursts and diatribes of a very freaky individual, with some defective communication and
composition skills.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
Until you discuss the legal reality, your studied opinion and $2 will get you a large coffee at McDs. I'm not going to waste any more time in this discussion, going in Humanist circles without connection. There is no Socialist or Capitalist perfect world. The understanding that you have depends on finding that perfect world. This is, by definition, delusion.

Ron Allen answers:
If there can never be a perfect world, then why did God give us a vision of a better world, and a command that we build a better world? Why tell us to love one another, if we cannot
do what we're told? If ought implies capacity, if morality entails ability, if freedom suggests
power, if intellect signifies reason, if every imperative stipulates an indicative, then why do
we cop out of human perfectibility? Even if we are never going to be perfect, we can still
perfect ourselves. We are not perfect, but we are perfectible.

Freedom

2009-11-22T14:32:47-05:00

This is an answer to a comment posted by kosmosaeion:

kosmosaeion wrote:
corporate machine and we who are HUMAN RESOURCES are its slave...

Ron Allen answers:
I agree that there is a lot of slavery these days, even in the United States, the land of the free.

kosmosaeion wrote:
The scriptures allude to this very matter when it meantions an economic of are a RFID chip that one takes in their right hand or forehead... The bartering and trading means there is a system of corporate nature set up and the ultimate inclusion is dependent on whether one remains in the system... I understand that, it may also surprise u to know that Jesus was not part of the Roman system, he didn't even have anywhere he lay head as he himself said...

Ron Allen answers;
Jesus of Nazareth lived under Roman authority, just as we live under the authority of capital
and the state. Jesus was crucified by Roman authority because he preached seditious and
subversive ideas like love, justice, peace, and sharing.

kosmosaeion wrote:
I agree with what George says and it would behoove u to investigate because ultimately a decision will have to be made by us who are still in this Corporate slaveship... Take note, anytime one does any business the first thing asked of one is the Social Security number not your name because as in all slave ownership u are a number....

Ron Allen answers:
I will investigate only to the degree that George communicates in the form of respectful and
intelligent dialogue. I do not intend to read compositions or articles he has put on some
Web-site. I don't have the time for reading Internet dissertations; I read books.

kosmosaeion wrote:
Also Ray, there is another part to Christianity that is hidden and secret and has nothing to do with this world and deeply hidden within the scriptures to the honest seeker is the real answer to our fallen nature that no mere man can solve... There was only one who holds this secret and his name is Jesus Christ....

Ron Allen answers:
If it's a secret, then how do you know it? If you know it, then tell it to us.

The United States

2009-11-22T14:18:32-05:00

This is an answer to a comment posted by GeorgesBlog:

GeorgesBlog wrote:
My country is Colorado. The United States is a corporation. Only a country can have citizens. A corporation can only own property, in the form of a legal trust, a fictional construct.

Ron Allen answers:
In my opinion, only a democratic republic can have citizens. And all private property in the
means of production (capitalism) and in the means of government (statism) is nonsense,
an invention and a construct. Perhaps we agree on some points.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
I've written a great deal about this, in my blogs. If you will not study this, you will be trapped in spurious arguments that ignore the legal reality. Again, study the materials at http://www.pacinlaw.org and http://www.theredamendment.com Your questions will become more real and you won't be contained in the commercial environment of competing factions. The nature of your situational questions illustrate my point. You are hampered by the concept of the material dialectic.

Ron Allen answers:
I am not hampered by dialectial materialism. I studied it, and I have adopted it as an
orientation, as a practice, and as a method.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
In my experience, I have always seen the impossibility of people who are unable to think and express themselves outside of political, commercial and military terms, to understand anything about Citizenship. That mindset insists on practicing Corruption of the Blood. To break that cycle, you must study.

Ron Allen answers:
You like to assume that people who disagree with you are people who do not study.

Socialism: The Great Lie?

2009-11-22T14:01:17-05:00

This is an answer to two comments posted by GeorgesBlog:

GeorgesBlog wrote:
If you agree that all forms of totalitarian statism are in error, then you must also agree that there is no safeguard that will protect against Statist invasion and intrusion.

Ron Allen answers:
There will always be the threat of statism. Freedom must always be vigilantly defended
and attentively protected. Free people must always be alert to the dangers of creeping
statism. We the people are the subjects of capital and the state, and if we ever manage
to depose of capital and the state we will, as citizens, always need to be prepared and be
ready to safeguard our liberty, our dignity, and our community.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
There is no pure, altruistic expression of collective interest. The history of all social
movements bears this out.

Ron Allen answers:
Past history does not limit what human beings can accomplish. Human beings are not
constrained by the past, unless we allow ourselves to be held back by the past. We are
free, and we are smart.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
UNBELIEVABLE !!!!!! Shared interests? I was talking about the moral interests of living, flesh and blood human beings.

Ron Allen answers:
Our moral interests are our shared interests.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
You are promoting the collective interests of dialectic materialism that denies the spiritual aspects of human relations.

Ron Allen answers:
I believe that dialectical materialism is a wholly different materialism from the mechanical
materialism most people think of when they hear about materialism. Dialectical materialism is a methodological investigation of history, society, and change. Just as science does not
look for answers or solutions to physical facts and events by interjecting God, spirits, or miracles, so also dialectical materialism does not throw God, spirits, or miracles into history, society, or change in order to explain facts or events. Dialectical materialism is not
ontological materialism; it is methodological materialism. There are dialectical materialists
who are not ontological materialists, and there are ontological materialists who are not
dialectical materialists.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
Allow me to explain it to you in material terms that you can understand. When an individual or business enterprise enters into an indentured agreement with social authority, they act in the legal capacity of a prostitute. The agency in representation of the collective interest is acting in the legal capacity of a pimp. This applies to government as well as "churches", operating in Commerce, hiding under the cloak of "ministry". That is a whole series of blogs, yet to be written. This is the Great Harlot's fornication, condemned in the Book of Revelation. What spiritual wine are you drinking?

Ron Allen answers:
Thank you for explaining such difficult concepts to your readers. What would we do without
you?

Freedom

2009-11-22T13:29:55-05:00

This is an answer to a comment posted by GeorgesBlog:

GeorgesBlog wrote:
Until you study legal reality, you will be hopelessly trapped in your Humanist holding pen.

Ron Allen answers:
Just because we disagree does not mean that I have not studied legal reality, whatever
that means. And I am not hopelessly trapped in my humanism, because I take responsibility
for the humanism I embrace and affirm. What do you dislike about humanism?

GeorgesBlog wrote:
There is no common ground for discussion, here. I've had many discussions like this, in the past decade. Some of them lasted for years. None of those people understood the details of the conversation. Some of them are still friends. They still don't get it. It is impossible to engage in equitable conversation with someone who refuses the legal reality. Study these things as I suggested, or don't waste my time. I've told close friends the same thing. I've lost friends in these discussions. I've been happy to see people leave and take their intellectual disconnects with them. If you continue to ignore the basic principles in this discussion, it is your loss. I have too many discussions with people who do get it, to waste my time in this one.

Ron Allen answers:
Please do not waste your time with debates with me. If you have no need to learn from
others, then you do not need to engage in debate with others. If you know all that needs to be known, then you do not need to learn from others. It matters not to me if you wish to
terminate further debate with me. I can write what I wish to write without your comments.

The United States

2009-11-22T10:15:08-05:00

This is an answer to a comment posted by GeorgesBlog:

GeorgesBlog wrote:
I ceased to act as a United States citizen. I have none or the corporate entanglements that identify an individual as property of the United States. I have been acting in the capacity of a State National for quite some time. It would not fit in this space, expanding on that statement. I can only refer you to http://www.pacinlaw.org and http://www.theredamendment.com for your examination and investigation. We are all at different places in our legal standing. I've been on my personal journey, coming out of the corporation, United States. Everyone will have to face that choice. Those who choose to stay in the corporation shall be caught in it's collapse. Those who choose to regain the Nationality that is their birthright will have to walk a narrow path to freedom. The agents sent forth to devour all of the people's substance have been hard at work for 142 years. The War of Federal Corporate Conquest and the Reconstruction years established a military and economic oligarchy in rebellion against the Constitution of the United States of America. Is it lawful to participate in that rebellion? The answer for me, is "No!"

Ron Allen answers:
If you are not a citizen of these United States, then what are you a citizen of? If you are so
unhappy with the United States, then how does renouncing your citizenship achieve your
desires for a better America? I do not believe we the people are true and full citizens yet,
because the United States is not yet a true and complete democratic republic. If you are
condemning the United States, then why does it not perk your spirit of curiosity that the
country you condemn so much has condemned and convicted Marx of crimes against
humanity which were done in his name? We do not condemn Jesus of Nazareth for the
crimes against humanity which were done in his name. Aren't you curious about the fact
that Jesus has been so successfully co-opted by both greedy capitalism and repressive
statism? If you hate the United States, then why does the United States detest Marx?

Freedom

2009-11-22T09:39:29-05:00

This is an answer to a comment posted by GeorgesBlog:

GeorgesBlog wrote:
That is good that you don't favor State Socialism, Ron. For all of the high-minded
pronouncements of the Marxists, any excuse will do.

Ron Allen answers:
Any excuse will do? Why would I need or want to make an excuse? I came to marxist
socialism because I carefully considered the philosophy. I consciously investigated the
philosophy. I converted to marxist philosophy while I was studying in a theological
seminary. Before my conversion to marxist philosophy, I was both a theological calvinist
and an ideological conservative. I have no reason to make excuses. I was an eyewitness
of the atrocious evils of bolshevism, and of the cold war. I am also an eyewitness of the
contemptible crimes of competitive capitalism and plutocratic statism. When authoritarian
communist states collapsed, I was very excited and very happy. I believed then, and I still
believe, that the collapse of authoritarian and bureaucratic communism just might
contribute to the promotion of a better revolution in the future, when a more progressive
generation becomes weary of dog-eat-dog capitalism and undemocratic statism. Without
the cold war between the two opposed ideologies, capitalist civilization has no more
reasons of public relations to better the lives of those who produce and of those who are
without property.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
There is always an "emergency" because there is always an "enemy".

Ron Allen answers:
If we believe there is always an enemy, then there will always be an enemy, even if we have
to invent an enemy.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
No philosophy derived by man can escape the reality of human nature.

Ron Allen answers:
Every philosophy comes from human beings, and there are some philosophies which have
a very pessimistic view of human nature, a very defeatist and hopeless opinion of human
nature.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
In all things commercial, the objective of Commerce is always conquest. The fake authority with it's fake currency, fake laws and fake people always manifests the dark side of human nature.

Ron Allen answers:
Yes, human nature has a dark side, but human beings also possess moral freedom and
intellectual abilities. We can reason. We have good sense and good jusdgement. We are
capable of sanity and of wisdom.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
Those days are coming to an end. There is another Great Lie, that Communism is consistent with Christianity. Is that why Marxist dictatorships have exterminated millions of people for believing the Bible?

Ron Allen answers:
For many centuries, Christians have killed Christians, and Christians have enslaved other
peoples. Christian rulers have sent their Christian subjects into battle with other Christian
subjects of other Christian rulers. Something very bad happened to Christianity, and this
is why marxism was so hostile to organized Christianity. Christianity was a part of the
establishment. Ever since Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus legally sanctioned
Christianity, Christianity became an authoritarian institution, and bloodthirsty organization.
If there is a God, perhaps the persecution of Christians is God's way of judging and testing
them. Yes, communist authorities went too far. But, I believe authoritarian communism
reflected and recreated the authoritarianism of Christendom, which preceded and fueled
the authoritarian atrocities and brutalities of bolshevik communism. I condemn every
bloodthirsty régime, whether it be Christian or communist.

I believe that there is an authentic and loving Christianity, and that this Christianity is better
than what Christendom has done in Christ's name. I also believe that there is an authentic
and libertarian communism, and that such a communism will be far better than what
authoritarian communism engineered in Marx's name.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
You can't find the Social Gospel in the Bible, because it isn't supported there. There is no state administered management of resources in Biblical principles. Over the centuries, governments have usurped the position and authority of God. You are defending those who, "with good words and fair speeches, deceive the simple". Your defense is the same weak scam as those of con artists like any of the media personalities selling prayer hankies and talismans. The foundation of your defense is the sinking sand of politics and wealth redistribution. The conflict between the hustlers at the banks and the political messiahs is simply the blind leading the blind.

Ron Allen answers:
If the gospel preaches love and sharing, then why isn't this gospel about human society?

I hope you have something better than socialism and democracy to offer people. Let's hear
your proposals.

Socialism: The Great Lie?

2009-11-21T17:40:31-05:00

This is an answer to a comment posted by GeorgesBlog:

GeorgesBlog wrote:
The great lie is that Socialism serves the interests of individuals.

Ron Allen answers:
Socialists have never claimed that socialism serves the selfish interests of selfish
individuals. The individualism prevalent in a competitive capitalist civilization is not the
individualism that will be widespread in a cooperative socialist republic. Socialism will
serve the shared interests -- both public and private -- of socialized individuals.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
In actual practice, Socialism manages people as property of the State, as livestock, as the popular term, "human resources" describes.

Ron Allen answers:
Capitalism manages the majority of the population as the subjects of private capital, and
as the subjects of the state. The popular name for those who work in capitalist industries
is human resources. What you accuse socialism of is what capitalism does.

As far as actual practice, every socialist state so far has reproduced the contemptible
evils of capitalism and statism. Authentic socialism would not replicate or imitate the
evils of capitalism and statism. It seems that progress always confronts the resilience
of the immediate past. All we can hope for is that the coefficient of resilience is
maximized, that the difference between the beginning point and the bounce-back point are
sufficient to enable a further starting point from which to make more progress. The larger
the delta, the more the progress, the more successful will be the road from capitalism and
statism to socialism and democracy.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
My personal relationship with Jesus Christ does not require me to assist the State in committing acts of war against free people, acts of murder against the unborn or acts of commercial conquest for the banks. My obligation is to my Savior and King, not to some Nazi bureaucrat in Washington, District of Criminals. As for the nature of the relationship I have with Jesus Christ, who appointed you to the chief seat, in judgment? You are Statist and Corporatist in your responses. That is the thing you are responsible to judge.

Ron Allen answers:
I am responsible for myself. I must judge your expressed beliefs, just as you must judge my
expressed opinions. If you may judge my stated opinions, then why is it wrong that I may
judge your stated beliefs?

GeorgesBlog wrote:
Think on the things you defend, seek out if they be of God. I say that your position is a lie out of the pit of Hell. You defend the consolidation of the world under a central authority.

Ron Allen answers:
I advocate independent confederalist republics.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
The Bible says that it is needful that evil has come into the world. Woe unto him by which it comes. Don't be found on that bandwagon, Ron. A "spiritual relationship and communion" with Corporatism is a covenant with Death.

Ron Allen answers:
If you believe that I am a corporatist, then you cannot read with comprehension what I have
written. I join you in condemning corporatism, fascism, and authoritarian statism.

The United States

2009-11-21T17:10:17-05:00

This is an answer to a comment posted by GeorgesBlog:

GeorgesBlog wrote:
The central banks decided that they don't need good little robots in North America, anymore. We are on the doorstep of the next currency collapse. The corporation United States is a thief and a robber. You are going to learn that all you possess is borrowed debt and you sold yourself to the State.

Ron Allen answers:
Why do you say that I sold myself to the state? If you can accuse me of this, then why aren't
you also accused of this? How are you exonerated? If anything, we the people are guilty of
having sold ourselves to the state.

The United States

2009-11-21T17:03:47-05:00

This is an answer to a comment posted by smitty41:

smitty41 wrote:
America is great because of the people. I don't put a monitary value on that.

Ron Allen answer:
You cannot put a monetary value on people.

I agree with you that American is great because of the people. And I clarify this by saying
that the state does not make America great, capital does not make America great, but the
people make America great. The people who make America great are productive workers,
industrious laborers.

Liberal Elites

2009-11-21T16:38:53-05:00

Conservatives talk a lot about liberal élites in Washington DC, as if there are no
conservative élites in Washington DC. There are liberal and conservative élites,
and both of them need to be done away with, and will be done away with when
the oligarchic state has been seized and democratized by the people. Today, the
means of government are the private property of oligarchic élites; if and when the
socialist revolution happens, the means of government will be both socialized and
democratized, and the political state will, as a consequence, fade away.

Market Instability

2009-11-21T16:28:47-05:00

We are taught to believe that fluctuations in market value are related to supply constraints
and demand pressures. But, this myth is exploded. We have seen enormous and startling
fluctuations in market values without any regard for supply and demand. We have seen
supplies artificially reduced in order to increase demand, and we have seen demand artfully
increased through commercial advertising. Capitalism is a confidence game, with people
being persuaded to allow capitalism to continue, with people being persuaded to believe in
capitalism. We are being lied to. We are being deceived and tricked. It's all a big scam.

The United States

2009-11-21T16:14:46-05:00

The United States is not great because of big government. Also, the United States is not
great because of big business. In my opinion, the United States is great simply because of
its productive and industrious workers.

The Needs of Capital, The Needs of People

2009-11-21T15:39:16-05:00

This is an answer to two comments posted by GeorgesBlog:

GeorgesBlog wrote:
You have bought the Great Lie, Ron.

Ron Allen answers:
Please be specific. What great lie have I adopted? What is the great lie of socialism?

I believe that any synthesis of Christianity and capitalism is an extraordinary falsification
of Christianity.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
I can only hold my ribs to contain the laughter. Am I casting aspersions on your Socialist beliefs? I hope so. You remind me of a conversation I had with an elderly lady. She became quite irate. She retorted, "Democrats are not Communists! We're for the working people and the farmers." Sure they are. Karl Marx was for central management of the human livestock. Socialism is a disgusting assertion and a moral outrage.

Ron Allen answers:
Have you read what Karl Marx wrote? Can you cite from Marx's own writings where he
advocated central management of human beings as if they were livestock? What does
socialism assert which could be assessed as a moral outrage?

GeorgesBlog wrote:
I'm responding to the religion question, separately. I am not a Corporatist 501(c)3
government issue Christian. I do not have a religion. I have a relationship with Yeshua ha
Maschiach, the Son of the Living God, the King of Kings and Lord of lords. Everyone should
turn away from the organized, corporatized churches. Broad is the way to destruction and
many there be, that go in thereat.

Ron Allen answers:
If you have a relationship with Jesus Christ, then is this relationship wholly without any
communion with other Christians? Religion is about Christians being united with both God
and humanity. Religion comes from the Latin word religio, which means both obligation and
reverence. Does your relationship with Jesus Christ release you from reverence for God
and for humanity? Does your relationship with Jesus Christ release you from moral and
devotional obligations, both of which involve a spiritual relationship and communion with
the saints.

Freedom

2009-11-21T15:06:10-05:00

This is an answer to a comment posted by jimw:

jimw wrote:
I guess I don't read the same Bible or have interpreted it very differently than you.

Ron Allen answers:
I have read and studied the same Bible you read and study. If we interpret the Bible
differently, then we must be careful about, and responsible for how we interpret the Bible.
I have studied the Bible most of my entire life. I have a BA degree in religion, and I studied
Greek and Hebrew, and I attended seminary. I did not finish my seminary training, because
I decided to leave school for a time, but never went back to finish. I regret the decision not
to return and finish, but I still know and study the Bible.

jimw wrote:
There is capitalism.

Ron Allen answers:
What does this assertion mean? Capitalism is a modern phenomenon. The Hebrew Bible
does not preach capitalism, and the Christian Bible actually teaches us that the primitive
church practiced a form of communism. In fact, communism has evolved as Christianity
has advanced. The history of Christianity is concurrent with the history of socialism.

jimw wrote:
But then just my view

Jim

Ron Allen answers:
Either your view is defendable, or it is untenable.

Freedom

2009-11-21T14:52:05-05:00

This is an answer to a comment posted by smitty41:

smitty41 wrote:
Freedom, The right to our own opinions. I love America.

Ron Allen answers:
I love America for its progressive traditions and tendencies. But having the right to an
opinion is not enough freedom. There is no right to publicly express opinions, unless you
have enough money to purchase and hold on to private property in the means of mass
communication. If businesses are pro-capitalist and pro-conservative, then they will not
pay socialist TV or radio stations the advertising dollars they would need to get in
business, and stay in business.

It is not enough to have an opinion; freedom must also include a right to express an opinion.
There is no right to publicly express an opinion when you have to pay for the very act of
expressing an opinion. Slaves have opinions, and when they express opinions which their
masters agree with, then they will have the right to express their opinions.

There is no right to your opinion, because to have an opinion there is no need to have a right
to have an opinion. Even if there were no right to have an opinion, I would still have my own
opinion.

You say you love America. If a democratic majority elected to retire capitalism, and to
attempt socialism, would you still love America?

The Needs of Capital, The Needs of People

2009-11-21T14:26:00-05:00

This is an answer to a comment posted by GeorgesBlog:

GeorgesBlog wrote:
I just reread this, Ron. You ask a very important question that I have dealt with at great length in "Land & Wealth vs. Debt & Promises: The End Game", "War Under Heaven: The World at Commerce" and in "Reconstruction: The Broad Way to Destruction". The short answer is that people without land are at the mecy of those who control such property. That is why economic collapses are designed to move people off of the land and strip them of property rights, in general. Only a Socialist would see that as a good thing.

Ron Allen answers:
This assertion is a disgusting scandal and a moral outrage. You say that socialists see
dispossession as a good thing. This is a falsification. You seem to believe that it is
permissible for you to bear a false witness to what socialists both believe and desire.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
It would also be beneficial to read "The Real Weapon of Mass Destruction: POVERTY". I have always expected to see the ulterior motives vested in greed exposed for the good words and fair speeches that they are. The basic nature of social planning is thievery. Whether Socialism or Capitalism, both economic philosophies are brought into the corruption of Corporatism, by private banks and their fiat currencies. They despise the concept of each individual being a bank with wealth produced from the land, by his own hand. Private banks can not resist conquest and subjugation. Further explanation and history are contained in my blogs. The expectations in this debate speak of independence and autonomy, while pursuing the objectives of Socialism.

Ron Allen answers:
You say that you're a Christian. Fine! But ideological Christian-capitalism is largely the
reason why so many humanists, democrats, and socialists have turned away from the
organized and establishment churches. Christian-capitalists, or capitalist-Christians, are
a disgrace and an outrage. Such Christians are giving to the world a false witness to their
Lord and Savior.

Freedom

2009-11-21T13:59:05-05:00

This is an answer to a comment posted by GeorgesBlog:

GeorgesBlog wrote:
Whether anyone listens or not, there are things that must be said. I'm not here to solve the world's problems. No one outside of his family listened to Noah for 120 years before the Flood. 8 people lived to see dry land, again. You can go ahead and continue mixing and matching Socialism and Capitalism in the corruption of Corporatism.

Ron Allen answers:
As I understand corporatism, it is fascism. Francisco Franco's Spain and Benito
Mussolini's Italy were corporatist. Fascism was a form of state-socialism, and I do not
advocate long-term state-socialism. State-socialists advocate permanent state-socialism.
Democratic-socialists believe that state-socialism cannot be a stable and secure
government. The dictatorship of the proletariat is a temporary form of state-socialism,
and marxist-socialists do not believe this dictatorship will be a never-ending government.
It will exist only because the capitalist state exists, and the capitalist state must be
captured in order to bring about the removal of capitalism. When the capitalist state is
captured by the working majority, the dictatorship of the propertied classes will be ended.
Unlike Mikhail Aleksandrovich Bakunin, Karl Marx believed that the state cannot be
immediately and instantly abolished, but that the state must be taken away from the ruling
oligarchs, and the state must be put into the service of the working majority. The state
exists before the socialist revolution, and the state must be carried over from capitalism
until a new generation has been educated and prepared for life without the state and
without capital. Bakunin believed the state can be directly and completely dissolved in a
single and decisive revolutionary instant; Marx believed the sate must be dissolved in a
gradual process of progressive disestablishment, or what Friedrich Engels called the
withering away of the state. According to Engels, when the state has withered away,
"government over persons is replaced by the administration of things".

In Anti-Duehring, Engels wrote: "Recently, since Bismarck adopted state ownership, a certain spurious socialism has made its appearance, which declares that all taking over by the state, even the Bismarckian kind, is in itself socialistic." What is Engels saying here?
Engels is telling people that the state taking over everything is not what true socialism is
about. Marxian socialism advocates the people capturing the state, not the state capturing
everything. According to Engels: "The working class seizes state power, and then transforms the means of production into state property." In other words, the first clause
must precede the second clause in time. When the means of production are
transformed into state property, the state will have previously been revolutionized and
converted from a perennial oligarchic dictatorship into an interim democratic dictatorship.
The state will no longer be the instrument of minority rule; it will be the instrument of
majority rule. According to Engels: "As soon as there is no longer any class of society to
be held in subjection, there is nothing more to be repressed, and a special repressive force,
a state, is no longer necessary." State-socialists believe that the state will always be
necessary, and that the state can be a class-neutral authority. Unlike the state-socialists,
marxian-socialists believe that the state is an unnecessary evil, and that we can live in an
organic human community, together, without the state.

I apologize for this digression, but ignorance of socialism is a serious and major problem.
Socialism is not corporatism, and socialism is not the prevailing liberal welfare-state.
Socialism is about an organized and united society managing itself without the state.

GeorgesBlog wrote:
The end of rebellion is destruction. You are going in the way of Hitler, Stalin and Mao, all Corporatist in their pursuit of conquest. All Corporatists make war with God, deny His existence and His authority. They do not acknowledge Him in their ways. There is a way that seems right to a man, but such are the ways of death.

Ron Allen answers:
Again, democracy and socialism are not corporatism. Capitalism is not what the Hebrew-
Christian Bible teaches or advocates. In fact, I believe that communism is consistent with
Christianity. If you believe in the Bible, then I cannot believe that you favor capitalism.

Freedom

2009-11-16T18:47:35-05:00

This is an answer to a comment posted by Hugh_Pizmehoff:

Hugh_Pizmehoff wrote:
Ron,

Aren't you plagued by the same issue as George, "... nobody is listening to you"?

Ron Allen answers:
If nobody reads what I write, then my writing is for self-clarification, and that's a very good
reason for writing.

Hugh_Pizmehoff wrote:
I think you have some good ideas, but the way I see it, the current formation of government
in the U.S. can accommodate some socialist aspects, and has in the past, but socialist
idealism does not allow for incorporating capitalist ideals into it, and it cannot tolerate any
capitalist ideology. I see it similar to you, socialism is the solution to capitalism's problems,
but I also see capitalism as the solution to socialism's problems.

Neither is a perfect theory in practice, but perhaps the two working together may be a
delicate balance, but might possibly evolve into a better form of govenment.

- Thom

Ron Allen answers:
Socialism retains whatever is good about capitalism. If socialism does not keep what is
praiseworthy about capitalism, then what is meritorious about capitalism would be a
solution to what is inferior and defective about any socialism which is created without
preserving what was progressive about capitalism. Every inferior and defective socialism
was contructed without maintaining the beneficial accomplishments of capitalism.

The Needs of Capital, The Needs of People

2009-11-16T18:26:26-05:00

This is an answer to two comments posted by jimw:

1.
jimw wrote:
George you are wrong in your statement each didn't want anyone to escape slavery but only
wanting better production for individuals for benefit of the corporation.

Each stressed to me, in our conversation, their desires to each to reach potential and move
on to bigger and better things on their own if this was their goal and not to stay under the
corporate umbrella per say. I personally was employed only by 2 of the mentioned and I did
move out. I however allowed myself to learn, be taught and put into motion their teachings.
However, I have learned most from people not mentioned because their names would be
meaningless other than to my self. I mention the other only to make a point, and also for
recognizing their names, because they believed in people and not just as a "human
resource for the corporation". Some of their politics left me wondering though.

Each and everyone of us is to excel but recognizing when we have reach the summit of our
ability and not over stepping that thresh hold into the realm of incompetence as to endanger
others, which unfortunately happens to much.

We have either have God or man as our master and have freely made the choice. I also
realize this statement opens a whole new can or worms and I can and will take the
broadside shot but then I'm a big boy.

Thanks for your input and insight in my thoughts

Jim

2.
jimw wrote:
I am glad for you for your aspirations for yourself and family. I did not necessarily mean to
accumulate conspicuous wealth but for comfort of family. Aspiration to me also means
assisting and uplifting of others.

Enjoy your thoughts and challenges to my think.

Jim

Ron Allen answers:
Your comments often prompt fresh and creative thoughts, and this I sincerely appreciate.