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Who are you? on 2008-05-30 17:25:53 |
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There is no 'googd' or 'bad' labl for a person. Sure as society changes the qualifications change, in one year you couldbe a great guy owning ten negros or inanother time you could be 'bad' for sharing the same bedroom as your wife.
Times change and just do the best you can, worrying about what people think of you and ESPECAILLY how you view yourself is a waste of time. I don't siscrive to spirutuality but I can appreciate the wonders (and clusterfucks) of nature around me. Enjoy each moment and don't give a shit whther you fall into one category or another.
Some people say I am a bad person because I swear. I could help thousands of peoples build homes and feed homeless but they judge me on swearing. Fuck em. It is all in the eye of the beholder and you only need to worry about your own, comprende!
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Job 40 - 41 on 2008-05-27 08:28:41 |
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Ahhhh Good old Job. The one book in particular that shows what a dick the Christian god is. Before I stopped believing in any god, I though I could never serve and worship and god doing things like this and ordering mass genocide in other books in the OT.
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On religion on 2008-05-27 08:20:08 |
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I respect very few of the ones who believe in a creator of some sorts, The Christian god being one of them. Sure people who were raised in this background and don't know anybetter all the while never really grasping the contradictions in the bible get a pass, but most people should know better.
And the people who try to change the laws and demand I acknowledge their religion as truth do I not only not respect, but I despise them. I am tired of wars over which god is better and I am tired of people claiming god helped them not drink but they don't think about the millions dying in Africa begging the heavens for a drop of food. Hypocrits and fools the lot of them.
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More on slavery on 2008-05-26 10:42:11 |
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Try to get through to me how? By making me ignore the damage religion has caused the world. Hey Dr. Phil, I'll read those sites and you go read the news about the slaughters in Africa and the ethnic purging going on today in the name of god. Go read a history book about the many wars caused by it, the mmassive amount of literature lost/burned or the millions killed all in the name of god. In fact, just read the bible, Torh or Qu'ran and read about what an outdated asshole those gods are and maybe we'll talk then.
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More on slavery on 2008-05-25 01:46:00 |
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little boys, getting molested, pedophiles......guilty consciounce or a trend? And for someone who didn't serve at all, just her daddy of two (oops, one and a half) kids, you sure think you know the ways of the world.
And ahhhh, the interservice rivalry. Doesn't count coming from a cunt who hasn't served but regardless, since you know absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing of any of the things I have done or seen, I'll just shrug your accuscations off like I do the rest of the 'jesus love' that often comes from people with 'high morals'....lol
No but seriously, I think you would find it cathartic to buy a chatty cathy doll, vacuum pieces of it's body, spray ketchup around the room, reassmenble him and then pretend baby bro is ok!.....
Sick? No. I am just tired of respecting the superstitions of apes like you while common sense and human rights are stomped on the the same people demanding special treament. So if it pisses you off that I say pops was a shitty dad dragging you around the world and mom was a bit loose in the vag area and unable to read a tojan box, which resulted in baby bro becoming dog food in a dumpster, feel free to get pissed, enraged in fact. But feel free to fuck off as well. Your choice ;)
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More on slavery on 2008-05-23 21:34:12 |
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SUZIE, I posted a sweet post above this on baby bro, you should read it, it will make jesus happy.
To tell you the truth, there are times I live in a family of eternal fuckups, one who says he is Christian because dad drilled it into him, much like me but hey, maybe seeing the world compared to a dad who hasn't even see 20 states can do that to you and besides my mother who doesn't discuss religion with my father because he is such a zealot and won't budge on his fucking physo ideas. She even believes in Jesus, but not the same god. My dads god wants homosexuals all shipped to an island (direct quote), declared AIDS was god's punishment to 'fags' I believe the word he used. Mom is suprisingly more tolerant. His comes from a fear of death (oh please god heal my tummy from bleeding *boo hoo* I don't want to die! And then his little bright light fairy tale/delusion all implanted of course because he needs to believe he'll see mommy and daddy again, can't admit he has wasted his life with this shit and his ego is a monster that can never be filled. Oh and he looks forward to an eternity of kneeling and praising a god with a bigger ego than Zues, just not quite as good at his job). He has no problem mocking Islam (often demanding they all die; remember that little remark pops about how USA should turn the whole middle east into a parking lot? ahhh gods love right there), Mormons; on their little quest to dig up proof that a race of blond haired people in chariots lived in the North America before Indians did: Jehovahs Witness, Seventh Day Adventists, Hindus, etc. He won't touch Judiasm though, partly because he is a wannabe Jew and partly because holding the old testament up for what it is, total fucking insanity, genocidal (in MANY places to MANY cultures), killing (not fetuses) but children with self-awareness with commands coming FROM GODS 'mouth' itself.
Heaven forbid someone mock his god though! It is holy war time!!!!! Wait, isn't it always holy war time? At any moment, somewhere in the planet, at least one and most times a lot more than one, are killed in the name of some god. I bet you loving Christians first response to comments like 'Jesus suffered for one day and we feel sorry for him? What a cunt. I bet that guy couldn't have lasted a week in a concentration camp (we know he didn't help em thats for sure!) But isn't it funny, utter a bad word about crown hat guy and they are screaming for a fight! Yeah, the turn the other cheek part they got down real good. lol.
Since it is all a fairy tale to me, it is like calling a serial killer character in a paperback novel an asshole. Sadly, most people in this country don't think that way.
Well before I became a nonbeliever in a diety of any sort, I slowly grew to hate the Christian version of god. I even BELIEVED I was going to hell but I could not and would never kneel before a being much more evil, racist and bloodthirsty than any bible verse, EVER, said the devil was.
So please, go suck JC off somewhere else. Tell yourself you are a godfearing good person, pray everynight for the sins you do, go waste every sunday listening to a man with no education on somepulpit telling you how to live your life.
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More on slavery on 2008-05-23 21:06:27 |
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Well, I am glad mommy had an abortion. Too bad it wsn't a year earlier :)
Too bad little brother got sucked out piece by piece :) And to be honest, I am glad mommies uterus got fucked up. No more lil SuzieQ's running around, poor world :) Since I find nothing wrong in abortion except a few details that need to be worked out, I can honestly say I could give a shit if mommy listened to a good buddy and went to a shitty doctor and has felt guilty about it since then, hell that guilt probably pushed her right into the arms of Jesus (don't hug to close though! That fucked up hat he wears is really prickly lol)
Trust me, I don't doubt some people will get motivated on the jesus train by hearing their space daddy being mocked, so be it. It just proves that genocide, rape, murder, torture are all hunky dorry with you but lil ol Jesus, with a crown of thorns dying for your sins (and baby bro in the dumpster) makes it all okay and makes you ignore the past one thousand nine hundred years of pain religion has put the world though.
Hey susie, put your money where your mouth is, go help starving three year olds in Africa, you know, the MILLIONS you die yearly instead of putting on your christian hat and claiming jesus loves you (while letting children die begging for food). Get on your knees baby and scream PRAISE THE lord! Oh and don't forget to whip out the checkbook to out your mind at ease that you did something to help. Oh and susie, it is awesome how you block out all the repression, your know 19 centuries of it, directed toward women. I wish the chuch boys molested by priests (funny you mention that, they do have quite the taste for underage dick don't they) could forget the travesties your religion does daily.
And did you call me a turd? And then go on to suggest I am uneducated? lol Real quick, have you been to the temple in Jerusalem? Have you seen the wailing wall? Have you seen the Sistine Chapel? Or is Suzie to busy scouring for the correct dumpster to have a yearly laying of the flowers in baby boos life, sucked out before it's time....
Journeyman might be ashamed, who knows. The so called 'tolerance' Christianity is supposed to have rarely applies to anyone with different views.
On a side note, you are right, cunts like you DO need to beware this forum. Anyone who puts Biologists and Executives in the same sentence and then uses such up to date words like 'turd' is just to much. Giving you ignorant people direct quotes from your own bible (and I haven't even hit the really good ones about how orbit cqn be stopped with no affect to simple things like getting Pi wrong etc. etc. and thousands more...lol) doesn't even change your mind. But then again, these are the same people who have a motto like "Prayer: a way to feel good about doing nothing".
So go say grace to that special dumpster, and then go try and help some real people.
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More on slavery on 2008-05-23 08:19:49 |
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lol. How the fuck (oops, those GED classes really screwed my language! lol) does one become a teacher knowing so little??? He obviously can't grasp Jefferson's thinking in that NUMEROUS writings of his that display disgust at Christianity, yes so much so that he edited chunks out when studying it or the slaves (and decades after it was banned) being persecuted DUE to biblical law, even to the point of ignoring Douglas's speeches and writings where he blasted Christianity many times (I really don't feel like writing all the quotes, maybe 'professor' here can look em up). What kind of teacher is obviously unaware of the studies of the American prison population concerning belief in religion compared to the percentage of free Americans who do not believe (0.2% compared to 13%)? What kind of teacher is so outnumbered against the establishment of education to blindly ignore the huge trampling of civil rights being pushed by religions? What kind of teacher is so ignorant that he would consider the man who discover DNA and the man who broke the atom to be 'damaged' and self absorbed in matters of thinking? What kind of teacher pretends to be agnostic when he actually looks like he is blowing the 'almighty'?
None that I know thank 'god'. jesus christ if I had a teacher like that I would have dropped the class there and went on to take another and laugh with other professors on what a douchebag this asshole is. He talks about thinking outside the box but he doesn't even know the definition of atheist! Thinking it is equivalent to a religion or a belief of some kind!
I'll tell you who the arrogant shit is, the person who looks up at the sky, knowing that we are a little shit of a planet, orbiting a little unimpressive star, in an unimressive part of our little galaxy and thinks 'god made all this for us!' There are over 300 billion (can he even grasp that number?) stars in our little galaxy alone, that there are trillions of galaxies, but god cares whether we masterbate, have sex with two people or look at porn.... wait, that's not arrogance, it is pure fucking stupidity. So take your pious, fake, hypocritical and foolish bullshit elsewhere. Go read a text book left behind in a biology class or grab a history book and read the number of centuries the church has declared war on knowledge, learning and human rights. Go suck off your local pastor (50/50 shot he is down with it lol) or the crucifix on your wall. Go make believe anyone who thinks differently is a high school dropout (much preferred than thinking like this oh so ingorant fuck). Keep ignoring the facts that the United States, among all other civilized nations, is almost last in all matters concerning education but first in matters like rape, murder, robbery.... oh and belief in religion and think there is no corelation between the two. Go think anyone who despises religion for the harm and damage it has caused, is causing and will cause thinks that way because he read some website that you made up.
It's like talking to a grown up (maybe?) who believe in unicorns and pots of gold at the end of rainbows is not only likely but it is obvious! Speaking of comics, it is FAR more likely that a speaceship from kypton landed on Earth and superman walks among us than it is that ANY invisible, magical, inept and obviously a fuckup at his job created us and it out there blowing his load when a goat is killed on an alter or when someone in Arkansas sings hosanna's to his name. Talk about fucking ignorant.
(hopefully the abundance of fucks or taking of your spacemans name in vain made you leave a few sentences ago :)
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More on slavery on 2008-05-22 09:38:09 |
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lol, from lack of knowledge and language? Really? Only high brow intellectuals speak what you consider to be proper language? Fuck that :)
Simply saying the words homosexuality and incest in the same sentence when pointing out they are 'abnormal' behavior is the same as comparing.
I like your comparisions of 'religious' figures with high IQ's.... I guess you don't read any studies done on prison population and lower class and educated people compared to people of higher educations having a greater level of disbelief. Cherry picking studies and biblical verses to match your beliefs must be nice. Oh and try reading some of what the people you listed wrote before making an ass of yourself and listing them. The farther back you go, the less the amount of non-belivers you'll find, that is certain. But only because books were burned as well as people, torture was implemented and rights were stripped away from those who didn't say daddy jesus was a ok in their book. What a nice, warm religion. You even go so far as declaring yourself an agnostic????? What a fucking joke. Agnostics are weak atheists, to afraid to have a belief or opinion and unwilling to even grasp the definition of the word atheist. I believe you said Jefferson had a deep respect for jesus christ? Really? With qoutes like these I would have to call you a fucking idiot.
"The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious... One only need look at those who serve him. They are always two classes of people: fools and hypocrites." Or maybe this one. "CChristianity is the most perverted system ever shone on man...perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind... a mere contrivance [for the clergy] to flich wealth and power to themselves."
You are welcome to steal the phrase 'spiritual redardation' if you like though. I enjoy people using oxymorons. Your example of something a religious person does that a nonbeliver can is laughable. I think someone needs to take their finals again. Then again one who openly says they are smarter is usually doing it for self-esteem issues so if it makes you feel better, go ahead. I used to have a low self esteem, when I was 6....
And please, stop with the idea that slavery was a practice the Christians found abhorrent. Same with Women's sufferage.
When people like Elizabeth Cady Stanton, you know, the preeminent fighter for women's rights in US history says things like "The bible and the church have been the greatest stumbling blocks for women's emancipation... Among the clergy we find our most violent enemies, those most opposed to any change in women's position." or people like Fredrick Douglas (who you mentioned earlier, obviously drawing names from a hat, recommending his works should be read when he has obviously only read those applicable to his 'agnostic (right...) beliefs) say things like "The church is not only indifferent to the wrongs of the slaves, it actually takes sides with the oppressors.... For my part, I would say, welcome infidelity! Welcome atheism! Welcome anything! in preference to the gospel as preached by these divines! They convert the very name of religion into an engine of tyranny and barbarous cruelty, and serve to conform more infidels, in this age, than all the infidel writings of Thomas Pain, Voltaire and Bolingbroke put together have done!" it really makes your argument quite silly.
And just a side note, to Journeyman who thought it high brow to quote Hippocrates, maybe he should try reading all the writings before jumping on a band wagon. Hippocrates also said "Men think epilepsy divine because they do not understand it. We will one day understand what causes it and then cease to call it divine. And so it is with all things in the universe."
As far as abortion goes, anyone talking of lights leaving the body, insinuating there is a soul or spirit in our bodies THEN going on to portray himself in a scientific light, is full of shit anyways. The same people siding against homosexuals because they have so far not determined what makes people choose certain sexual prefernces, is the often the same person who is against abortion because they believe people have souls.... hmmmmm I am guessing we will find evidence of DNA coding for gays long before we find evidence of a soul. When actually thought about, which I see some here haven't done, the idea of a soul is pure nonsense. Wishful thinking and very egotistical. But maybe abortion and souls can be covered later. Nice change of topic from religion oppressing people, with things like slavery, women's oppresion to things like Jim Crow laws though.
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Two interesting things that happened today on 2008-05-18 23:00:56 |
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Exactly. I am just fullfilling your bible's prophecy :) Though you could say I am losing. I mean don't get me wrong, in civilzed countries non-belief is increasing as education does but it is far outweighed by the rise of fanaticism in third world countries.
And no. If my dad ruled the entire earth and had power and authority over every single person on it unopposed, I would not get offened if someone pissed on his picture. After all, he knows the second they do it and he has horrible plans of torture and pain for whoever thinks not to mention says anything he considers negative. Why would I cry about it?
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More on slavery on 2008-05-18 09:30:32 |
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I forgot the second half of Hitchens challenge. Name one immoral or unethical act that can only be done by someone religious or a believer. I can think of ten in less than a minute.
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Two interesting things that happened today on 2008-05-18 09:25:47 |
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Why is it so important to convert everyone into believing like you? Why is it so offensive when people don't? Why does someone so powerful and all-knowing need to be defended, often to the death by believers? You say you are hurt by my non belief? Really? If my dad won the worlds strongest man competition and then some starnger walked up to me and said 'my dad is stronger', would it hurt my feelings? How weak is a god that tells his sheep people will disbelieve but weeps and begs for defending him when someone just fulfills what he said would happen?
If anything people like me should be offended when they are accused of being hard hearted or in need of saving.
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More on slavery on 2008-05-18 09:19:39 |
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"incest, child rape, beastiality, etc."
are hardly on the scale of someone being attracted to same sex and it is ignorant to think so. In fact, it is opinions like that which are pushing the country farther to the left each day with their homophobic attitude.
Your opinion on abortion and the human body having a soul is nothing more than that, an opinion. One that runs against the tide of reasonable thinking and one that declares it has won when all evidence points to the contrary. If there is a god, I doubt he would care about a soul getting sent right back to the 'soul bank' he keeps up there. He would be to busy killing children with a consicious mind, emotion and self-awareness. Christianities stance on abortion is hypocritical like almost all it's other stances and outdated. It weeps when a fetus is aborted but has no qualms about killing or condemning to eternal death people who believe differently. I think Christianity's god is to busy fawning over achivements like the Black Plague, Small Pox and Cancer to find sorrow in his magical little heart to weep for the termintation of a fetus. He tells his little followers he loves them and will protect them but when they get sick who do they turn towards? Did you say science??
Your thoughts on Slavery are even more ignorant. Christianity took the 'moral high ground'? Slavery was rooted in Christianity and had been a Christian tradition for over a millenium. Christians fought tooth and nail over the abolition of slavery. Sure while you may find many Christian abolutionists, you'll find even more Christians turned atheists over the topic.
Speaking of moral high ground, I quite like the challenge Hitchens put forward. "Name me an ethical statement made or an action performed by a believer that could not have been made or performed by a non-believer." Kinda hard huh? The assertion that religion owns the moral high ground is offensive, ignorant and superstitious. Religion is the bane of morality and if history was looked at without the foggy glasses and ignorant gaze of religious converts then the heinious deeds and traditions upheld by numerous religions, Christianity more than most, it is quite easy to see why people with higher IQ's and more education are likely to be non-religious. People in poverty and people who lack in things like education are more likely to believe in magical beings like god who lovey loves them oh so much.....
In a hundred years we will look back on the treatment of homosexuals and topics like abortion just like we look back on things like slavery and incest (biblical well before anyplace like West Virginia was ever even discovered) is looked back on now. Just like now there will be people like you who say Christians were against mistreatment or judging homosexuals. They will probably list the numerous religious figure found with their finger up a man's ass.
Any ignorant and superstitious group of people who thought things like sperm wasting was a horrible act of murder not so long ago has no business telling anyone how they should live their life.
If the religious folk worried about saving their own soul and keeping themselves from raping children, incest, murder, etc. instead of declaring with false importance and mystical communication that deeds like wacking off were the devil's mind corupting our own, maybe they would be taken with a bit more seriousness when legislating or judging.
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Two interesting things that happened today on 2008-05-17 14:08:31 |
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again, proof my keyboard is sticking.
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Two interesting things that happened today on 2008-05-17 14:08:06 |
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I meant Mrs. Mathis, sry nout the mistype
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More on slavery on 2008-05-17 14:05:35 |
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Interesting response and well written.
Homosexuality, while not the dominant sexual desire in almost all species is still undeniably present. And you must admit it has been present in mankind since it's earliest recorded history. In Epic stories of Athens and Sparta from sailors of the coastal shores and present day into the very center of Western faith, the Catholic church, homosexuality is always a lurking presence in the background. While you and I may agree that it is neither desirable nor productive, is it our place to discriminate against people who do desire it? The argument that it has been the one of the symptoms of a decline in morality which precedes the fall of whichever civilization is being discussed is a straw man and one viewed only from a certain perspective. One could easily say that a change in religion destroys civilization faster than any moral shift does. Remember, it was a moral shift when we allowed the black culture to attain freedom. A step forward and against the tide of religion. The Roman empire's decline can be debated for books on end so I'll just say there is ample evidence the influx of mulitple beliefs, of which Christianity happened to be the one that stuck, was a major factor in its fall.
Abortion. A gray area currently but also one practiced throughout recorded time. Even when it becomes a moot issue you will find religions and civilizations alike of the past killing babies born with deformities or other minor birth defects. And those babies are out of the womb. Killing a fetus, an un'knowing' life is much more gray than that, I admit. But if there is no soul and by default there is no 'knowing' as a fledging life in the womb, it cannot at all be decided as murder. Not to mention a decision by a group who would send grown men out to die for their beliefs, Muslims and Christians alike, but yet flich at the termination of an undesirable group of cells is hardly one that can claim the moral highground.
I'll admit I used to find abortion horrible. My parents, when I was growing up made me watch videos of fetuses being disposed of and they would push it into my head that horrible, bloody murders were being carried out everyday by non-believers each day. Ironically they wouldn't let me watch Rambo but a live fetus being sucked out in pieces was fine viewing for a twelve year old (and yet people don't realize where and why they believe their convictions to be from).
I now do not care who is homosexual. I do not care who has an abortion. My personal tastes who be not being attracted to neither homosexuals nor a girl having muliple abortions but I wonder if these tastes are because my upbringing or my genes. I doubt I'll ever know because I don't see those tastes changing but I would wager my upbringing.
I can see one having an opinion on the two topics. I can see one arguing a point on the two. But I cannot agree with pushing the beliefs of shame and guilt on those who do decide to pursure those actions.
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Two interesting things that happened today on 2008-05-17 13:41:35 |
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I never said you resmeble the KKK. I said both groups use the same literature. Look Mr. Mathis, you can't continually ignore the fact that multiple groups use the bible as the standard for their religion and each one interprets or changes it to suit them.
I do care about religion. I think everyone on Earth needs to think about mankinds need to believe in a deity or creator to function. Is it because we were raised that way or is it something inherint in our genes that we cannot function with the fear of final death or the unanswered questions of 'how' we got here, so we great epic heroes and magical stories to comfort us. You may say society is made of individuals but it doesn't function that way. One man can make a difference but he has to be able to start a massive wave that ripples through society and even then, he can't make the difference alone, he must have followers or 'believers' in his ideology. You can see how this makes religion an easy target for men like these to convey their opinions to vunerable minds.
Your line of think reminds me of something that happened the other day. You know those people, almost always black, who go to some church called New Life Hope or something? And they get into suits and sometimes ask for money at corners of intersections with their church donation buckets? Maybe it is a Texas thing but I am sure the region you live in has some other group.
I digress though. I was at an intersection the other day and it was nice so my windows were down and when the guy got to me he said "Would you like to donate to Gods work"? "Sorry man, I don't believe in God." Was my answer and I went on to say I donated to Prostate Cancer when I had the funds to do so. His reply?????? "God's work can help all that and I won't let what you said offend me."
My lack of belief offend him??? I drive by churches daily and am told to respect others beliefs each day in a world run and filled with people wanting and willing to kill, main and torture others because they believe differently and I keep being told to respect that?
Sorry Charlotte if you read insults into where there are none. I haven't insulted you or your husband. Ironic though, how me not believing and my thinking that religion is much more harmful the benificial is viewed as an insult and not repected by the same people who say I must respect their beliefs.
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Two interesting things that happened today on 2008-05-16 19:53:45 |
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You said
"It would be a little difficult to post the entire Bible on line. :) I have read and studied through the Bible and these are passages that stood out to me among many others."
But it is and in many places. :)
And "It just seems amazing that you can look into the Heavens and not see the hand of the Creator. You seem to find it convenient to put your trust in a man if he gives you reason to reject God. My faith is not based on whether Einstein believed or not."
May knowing that there is no creator is not influenced by Einstein in the least. If researched, you would find that Einstein's arguments have been used by Christians for fifty or so years to 'show' "proof" that there had to be some creator and since he never had knowingly "OPENLY" said god didn't exist they used this in their favor as saying he believed in a creator. The whole 'greatest minds agree in god' argument Christians are fond of using. Well, each time it gets disproven they move to another talking point and pretend they never agreed with a non-believer. This must be another time. :)
I am also not hostile, at least not in the sense of wanting to hurt Christians, I just think the ideology and techniques harm society and don't help it and have been doing so for thousands of years.
If you or your scientists husband had bothered researching what you would devote your life to instead of ignoring anything that contradicts it, you would not have faith in your religion either. God? Maybe. But Christianity? Nope.
You would have found that the scriptures have been changed thousands of times. None are copies of the original and the authors aren't even who you think they are. Mark, who wrote the first three gospels never even met a man of Christ and during the time that Christ supposedly ruled there were dozens of figures, claimed to be born of virgins and/or prophecy who said they were born to free the Jews from Roman rule. Now many of these figures can be proven to have lived but the one who supposedly is the ONE, TRUE answer, doesn't even have the evidence of having lived at all! Mark wrote the gospels around 70 AD probably with Paul of Tarsis and NEITHER had ever even met Jesus! There is way too many contradictions in your own bible for me to break out historical facts, forgeries, differences in the dogma between faiths, lineages and trauma caused by religion in a single blog. So I am just focusing on the contradictions in the actual, bible. At least a few of the thousand or so versions around today. I try to stick with King James Version, New Living Translation, New American Standard Bible, Revised Standard Version, etc. The main ones you know. The ones that differ to greatly, I don't use in these blogs. Not enough time and the excuse given is to easy by English Christians, just like the Catholics and Protestants give, 'those people aren't REAL Christians'. Funny enough, this is also the same reason the Knights of the Klu Klux Klan gives for the other sects of Christianity (they are a Christian group as well you know and swear on the book of Romans when they become members and view it as a way to live their life as commanded by Jesus).
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Two interesting things that happened today on 2008-05-16 03:27:28 |
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A lunar eclipse is isn't even a .0000000000001% aas important as what was dicovered in Chandra. A Supernova and the moon blocking our view of the sun aren't even worth comparing. So am not sure what you are referencing. I went to the blog and I see picking and choosing of scriptural stories and verses and I am not sure if you are referencing my feelings about the supernova, the FACT that the universe is billions of years old and the young earth theory is PORVEN to be wrong unless magic is involved. Or are you referencing th Eistein letter in which he reputes the idea of a god even existing and says it is a 'childish notion'.
Also, a book written ENTIRELY by man but with gods OWN words, in your belief, cannot have it's verses hand picked. If one inaccuracy is found, and there are hundreds, then by default, your god is wrong or the book is just what it seems to be, a poorly written piece of fiction.
I on the other hand, CAN pick and choose verses. If I find one that condradicts which verse and story you cherry pick then your story is null and void.
You want proof? Here is a list of 400 contradictions in the bible http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html
It's your book man, you have to stick to it, defend it and prove the laws, commandmets and arguments match and are moral. Not me.
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More on slavery on 2008-05-15 09:47:48 |
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You are totally right (except for the reference to rayman living through anything, he has hardly had to deal with slavery in his lifetime). And I do agree that was cultural. I do agree civilizations evolve and change and what is socially acceptable often changes, even total opposite sides in a single year.
But I don't think religion gets to use that pass. If it is going to be used to do decide what is morally right and acceptable then it positions and past positions need to be questioned and examined. Is it right? If you believe what you are saying, and I think you do, then you must acknowledge things like homosexuality which was socially acceptable and then became unacceptable in the past few hundred years and is now becoming socially acceptable again. Religion almost always follows civilizations on what is acceptable and on how that culture evolves (ie. womens suffrage, etc.). Homosexuality is often reviled and directly attacked by religion, especially Islam and Christianity, though ironically both religions are full of prominent leaders who are discovered to be hyporitical homosexuals. So religion can't be used as the tool to lead civilizations as it evolves. Like with slavery where the bible was used as a force to KEEP it in pracice and is now being used as a tool to decide issues like abortion and homosexuality, it needs to be acknlowledged for what it is, an outdated guide to what used to be socially acceptable and not a template for what is acceptable now.
So while I think I need to be openminded and judge things differently through different viewpoints, I do not believe religion gets to be able to tell me the final decision on what is wrong and right.
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More on slavery on 2008-05-12 12:02:33 |
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While I'll let the 'uneducated white boy' who is pu;lin a 'race card' pass from Mr. Huxtable over here. I will point out a common theme in his diatribes, one he probably doesn't even see. Evolution. We EVOLVE as a race. Sure in the 3000 some odd years we have physically changed much, but look at the cultures. He says slavery was accepted then, so it's all good with him. We then EVOLVED and learned it was wrong. Having sex with minors was okay (and still is with some mormons ;) ) but we EVOLVED.
Now notice god didn't insitute these changes. We did. In fact, in the bible god apporved marriage of young preteen girls and slavery. Our own set of morals have changed that. Of course I would say some of Plato, Socratesand Aristole's work is outdated and wrong, who doesn't? We learn and grow from it, not discard it. But we don't take Plato and Aristotle's writings as commandments on how to live do we, so a stupid comparison really.
So to close Cliff, humans morals have improved the world bit by bit, bypassing what your little book says and ignoringing more and more parts woth each year. The number of atheists and agnostics is growing, sadly not among the black population because the, in general, religion is highest in poor uneducated areas. But it is still growing. People reading this book of murder, incest, slavery and other horrors are getting just as disgusted as me, like I imagine Fredrick Douglas would be at you for presuming to know what he thought of biblical slavery.
I can provide the EXACT QUOTES and verses from the bible. All you can offer is a) different culture so it was cool and b) out of context. OR he doesmy favorite and brings out the sciptures that contradicts one another (of which thereis a WHOLE list). Because Lev. states CLEARLY you can buy slavs from other nations and own them as property. Nothing in there about debts or other bullshit excuses he has. And how gods words that are written exactly can be out of context is a mystery to me and many other other writers but hey, whatever excuse works for you.
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More on slavery on 2008-05-11 17:40:26 |
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Just to clarify, you think slavery is okay when time and culture permit it? Quote "You mention context and yet you refuse to note the time, the culture, the traditions, or to define what you call slavery".
The you play the rasism card, as if to day you have a higher ground to stand on morally whn it comes to the topic of rasicism. I don't play my Jew card and we were slaves/murdered/gassed/genocide/etc. Just a few decades ago so please, enough with the 'I have dealt with it shit'. Some people are dicks, get used to it. Fat people, Skinny people. every culture can claim discrimination but don't use yours a s some get out of jail free card when it comes to slavery.
Your version of slavery is obviously ignorant and wrong. To consider joining the military to the buying of a human for certain years as the same thing is fucking ridiculous.
I like how you use the "God did not “approve” of the terrible actions of the Egyptians on their Hebrew slaves…but used it to temper them and prepare them for their deliverance." So he doesn't approve, makes no effort to help, he just wants them to be tougher. Sounds like a dick to me. But since I know it is a fairy tale it sounds like a dickhead genie.
Also, you use two or three examples of how kind the Jews were by accepting slaves rather than killing them after conquering a nation. Hmmmmm, how about let em go?
There is NO excuse, biblical, present day, past day, any day that ownership of another human being is just and merciful. As a black man you should be ashamed of yourself. With your line of thinking your people should have been slaves to work off the debt it took to transport them here.
And My FINAL point. Is if your logic and excuses are all based in that was the way it was in that time, doesn't that make you think the book is a bit outdated, wrote for a different time and is no longer applicable now? Probably not. Go back to making excuses for slavery, sing songs the masa's taught their 'negro' slaves and read the same book that the southern men QUOTEDED word for word to justify keeping your people in chains for centuries.
Owning a human disgusts me. Selling a child disgusts me. Having a set of years to be owned (and beat) by an OWNER disgusts me. Make your excuses. But you know what, mr. educated black man, you sound like the racist here, not me. An apologist for slave owners in biblical times and an apologist for the bible being used to promote slavery.
Owning a person, now or in the bible is the same thing (except in the bible there were rules on how bad you could beat them!) So Unless you read up on your 'heritage' or at least Leviticus, Exodus and Deut., go back to pretenting you are being persecuted okay.
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This guy.... my reply on 2008-05-10 00:22:23 |
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Well I love you too lamp, in a genderless, non-aquaintance way as well.
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More on slavery on 2008-05-08 00:02:48 |
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no reply?
As I thought. Go back to the black chirch and sing the same songs the slave owners taught you to sing 150 year ago.
People talk of Reperation???? How about abandoning the culture that kept you enslaved for hundreds of years. The fact that I am Jewish and you are Black does not give you an automatic pass here as far as black issues go. You could cuban and be just as wrong. The fucked up thing is thst you are not, you forget your history and your pride and if anyone is more anti-slavery and against the owning of other humans, it would have to be me. If you can't JUSTIFY the EXACT words of those scriptures without 'interpreations' or what 'god meant' or even 'back then it was normal', then go back to church, read John and the nice parts and forget slavery ever happened.
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This guy.... my reply on 2008-05-07 23:52:32 |
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If douche is an offensive term, they sould change the brand name. :)
I also agree, and have said many times that not all or even most of the faithful are devotely 'religious'. The possibility for them to become one remains and history has shown time and time again then when the mobs rise, there seems to be no rationalists to hold them back, for they are on the pyre themselves.
Believe it or not, though I despise the human race and the cruelty and blind ignorance of it amongst other things, I have a hope. A slim one. That we can rise above that. Some of us are good people. Who will stand up in a mob of people with death on their minds and say "STOP THIS MADNESS". Maybe the tide will turn and these rationalists and brave souls who have honor and know what is right from from wrong not because a book or a man on a pulpit tells them, but because they know it in their hearts what it is to be good.
Like I said in my into, I am far from pefect. I am a total shit to be honest. But I am trying, each day. To be better. To be that man that yells that cry amongst a crowd full of bloodlust.
Religion is dangerous idea and as the old quote goes.
"It is far easier to die for your religion, than to actually live it"
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clarify on 2008-05-04 11:27:26 |
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He might hhave. 99% percent of the creatures he created are extinct, who is to say we aren't next?
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More on slavery on 2008-05-01 05:59:34 |
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Why do people feel it is necesarry to name their credentials before posting? Does that mmake their opinion more valid?
Also the 'excuse' that the Bible is taken out of context and/or times were different back then are defensive excuses with no substance to them. How can you take chapter after chapter out of context? People like you always say the harsh chapters are out of conext, even when they are the exact words but then go and use a single verse to declare homosexuality as evil, deviant behavior.
I always did wonder why so many blacks were christians. Well before and even after the icvil war the bible was used to try and UPHOLD slavery and this was a merely 150 ago. Many got it from their 'master/owners' and many now forget how it became a part of their culture. The africans taken to the new world had other religions before taken into slavery.
I don't care when, whom or why a human being becomes someone's property. I just know it is morally reprehensible. The fact that the biblical god condoned it at all not to mention had rules on how to treat them shoud give anyone pause, not to mention blacks.
Some of what you say regarding slavery is true (debts owed, povert) but those not to mention taking in as slaves the losers of battles is wrong. The question is not an ignorant one, avoiding the issue itself with obvious bias defending and mininterpreting plainly written verses is ignorant.
THE founding father, Thomas Paine, split his friendship with George Washington over Washington's owning of slaves. He was a staunch bolitionist, and at his funeral only six attended for he had burned all his bridges with his cause for banning slavery. Two of them were black. Paine also did not believe in the bible.
Why do I use Paine as an example? Because he was the most influential man responsible for the formation of America? No. I do because his religious friends that he split with all used the bible as a defense of slavery.
It doesn't matter if you are born into it, be on a losing side of batte and being made one, paying off a debt (often paid by selling a son or daughter) etc.
If god did write the bible through man as you claim, why did he not ban it outright? Why isn't 'thou shalt not own another person as you would cattle' in the ten commandments but be nice to mom and dad is? If the bible was written for a different timr and culture then who are you and other Christians to decide which parts apply not and which do not? According to almost all Christians, even some oh the ten commandments are not applicable today. Don't you think an almighty creator could have the foresight to know his book would be used to hold up slavery for many years after people with strong morals said, this is wrong and the because the bible says it is ok is no excuse. The bible explicitly, WORD FOR WORD talks about BUYING slaves. Wordplay and twisting of the verses doesn't change that. Just like Lev. 26 says exactly, that the children of the owned slaves is the master's property as well.
How can you argue with the EXACT words of your god? Are you saying god lied? That he meant it was okay back then but not now and he just forgot to put a time limit on it? As a blackman, you were either raised in the church and never paid thought to the many verses of slavery seldom read in church or are somehow mistaken in interpreting the bible is aginst slavery. A people that were enslaved less than 200 years ago, a slavery codoned by the bible, should not only remember the one defense for slavery the south had, they should not pass down the religion of their former masters.
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