If Salvation is by Grace,...Does that mean your actions are irrelevant?

[PonderAppreciatively]

Simple question:

If Salvation is by Grace,...(and therefore NOT earned) ,...
Does that mean that your actions are irrelevant?


I'd like to know what you think,...and, when possible, scriptural references to support why you feel that way.

I have comments to make on this subject as well,...but I'll refrain for now.

[paddystyle]

A good question and one which on the face of it is easily answered as simply yes if salvation is truely by the grace of god then it matters not what you do,the commandments are irrelevant,once saved always saved and there will be sinners in heaven through repentance but i'd imagine you'll get lots of Christians arguing semantics and quoting scripture particularly Matthew and Revelation tellin you this is'nt the case...but then again thats what you asked for....enjoy

[tonytony]

It's long been a John 3:5 vs. a John 3:16 fight
It's long been a Romans 6:1 vs. an Ephesians 2:8 fight.
It's long been an Ephesians 2:10 vs. a Romans 3:24 fight.
It's long been a Romans 10:9 vs. a Romans 3:31 fight.
The spiritual fight is grace only vs. grace + repentance to be saved.

Well Paul said it's one Faith only in Christ----Ephesians 4:5.
That mean 2 or more Faiths in Christ a false Christ gospel.
Paul stated in 1 Cor. 14 that God is not the author of confusion.
Romans 6:1 says the law of grace does not void the law of repentance in Christ.
If nothing in the law today is voided out then grace + repentance in Christ = salvation.
Unless we operating in the old law of Moses then Paul then talking about a voided out law in John 1:17.
The book of Joshua to Revelation is pretty much the law for today.
Exceptions are the 10 commandments in Exodus 20 as it reappears for talk in Matthew 5.
Wisdom lessons in the book of Genesis to Deutronomy is for us today.
It's unruly today when you mess with the 613 old law ordinances in the books by Moses and say it's for today.
They not in Genesis and the book of Numbers but their in Exodus, Leviticus and the book of Deutronomy I believe.

This grace only vs. grace + repentance in Christ talk is not going to be resolved but by John 10 people only the right way.

It's not in God's plan to make intellectuals understand this right ever---2 Cor. 4:3.

They John 8:44 people so the simple gospel is hid from them forever.

A real move of God is not really occuring into we really get unity with Matthew 4:4 right.

We meaning John 10 people only.
The other people not in the unity plan cause they John 8:44 people----Psalms 133:1
2 Cor. 6:14-17.

Only John 10 people know it's their business to know if folks a John 10 person or a
John 8:44 person -----1 Thessalonians 5:12.

The other people the John 8:44 folks are just confused and feeling their judged and forced to believe something man's way.

Only 1 way to God and it's not man's way-----John 14:6.

Only John 10 people understand this cause they believe John 14:6.

The book the truth on the way while man is a lier on the way to God---Romans 3:4.

Only John 10 people understand this only cause they believe Romans 3:4.

The other people confused forever cause God made it that way----2 Cor. 4:3.

It's not about getting knowledge it's about getting unity with John 10 people knowing the book cause they believe the book right.

Originally Posted by PonderAppreciatively

Simple question:

If Salvation is by Grace,...(and therefore NOT earned) ,...
Does that mean that your actions are irrelevant?


I'd like to know what you think,...and, when possible, scriptural references to support why you feel that way.

I have comments to make on this subject as well,...but I'll refrain for now.

[knot2loud]

By grace...

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Short, sweet and simple.

Of course that means we shouldn't continue to do the bad things we do. We're still going to, it's our nature. But, when we ask God to forgive us for our sins - he does.

There's more scripture, but I don't have time to post it.

[tmar]

All things under the sun are earned... as sin is earned.... as its redemption is also earned. When the agreement touches all then all are the same and the agreement is finalized. That is where your grace comes in when the agreement if finalized.

[paddystyle]

Originally Posted by tmar

All things under the sun are earned... as sin is earned.... as its redemption is also earned. When the agreement touches all then all are the same and the agreement is finalized. That is where your grace comes in when the agreement if finalized.

Here's a question then....can you earn something like sin or grace while being unaware of it or do you have to make a concious decision?

[tmar]

Originally Posted by paddystyle

Here's a question then....can you earn something like sin or grace while being unaware of it or do you have to make a concious decision?

You can be unaware and still earn grace or sin. What havn't you heard of dumb luck.

Example; a man works for the mob.... he is caught.... first sin being caught. How do they pay for that sin to earn grace? Well I would say by keeping their mouth shut would earn them grace to be released from their sin. In other words do the time; you don't know if you will ever get caught and are unaware of that other than it is a possiblity you may be caught someday. Obtuse way but you can change mob with marine.... way back when it was a code of honor inside each and every marine not to talk to the enemy. Now we break bread with them how times have changed.

The son was a bastard... not of his father but in time he earned grace for his mothers sin to become forgiven by his father.... most of the time never known.

[paddystyle]

Originally Posted by tmar

You can be unaware and still earn grace or sin. What havn't you heard of dumb luck.

Example; a man works for the mob.... he is caught.... first sin being caught. How do they pay for that sin to earn grace? Well I would say by keeping their mouth shut would earn them grace to be released from their sin. In other words do the time; you don't know if you will ever get caught and are unaware of that other than it is a possiblity you may be caught someday. Obtuse way but you can change mob with marine.... way back when it was a code of honor inside each and every marine not to talk to the enemy. Now we break bread with them how times have changed.

The son was a bastard... not of his father but in time he earned grace for his mothers sin to become forgiven by his father.... most of the time never known.

C'mon tmar surely your not claiming that not only are we culpable for our own sins we are to be held responsible for others as the son was for his mother?

[tmar]

Yes; you know human nature.... the father would make it hard on the son as long as he still held the resentment inside. though it be no fault of the son who tries his heart out to please his father. WE are that culpable....


paddy if you knew your son was not your own son.... how would you feel.... first you probably wouldn't tell him and second you would try to be as far as possible but deep down wouldn't you treat him a little harder?

[paddystyle]

Originally Posted by tmar

Yes; you know human nature.... the father would make it hard on the son as long as he still held the resentment inside. though it be no fault of the son who tries his heart out to please his father. WE are that culpable....


paddy if you knew your son was not your own son.... how would you feel.... first you probably wouldn't tell him and second you would try to be as far as possible but deep down wouldn't you treat him a little harder?

Yeah but i'm not god...i have no kids tmar but would like to think that i would'nt treat a kid any harder for his mothers indescretion how can he be to blame?.....