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Old 11-10-2009, 01:18 PM   #1
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General Warns Diversity May Be Casualty of Ft. Hood Shooting

From This Week with George Stephanopoulos, an interview with Gen. George Casey in which (of course) we use the "terrorism" label, but the general also worries that speculation about the Ft. Hood shootings will fan the fires of bigotry in the military:

STEPHANOPOULOS: You say you can't talk too much about the investigation, but we are learning a fair amount about Major Hasan in the last couple of days. And it appears that there were several warning signs they either could have or should have been caught.
His fellow students and here in Bethesda, Maryland, say that he had anti-American rants at various presentations. The FBI has found some Internet postings by a man with Mr. Hasan's name, very inflammatory, praising suicide bombers.

And one of the major's fellow students has been especially concerned by what he said. He said that it was very clear to him, and his name is

Val Finnell, that -- and that he had complained to administrators at a military university about these anti-American rants. And the AP story that quotes him goes on to say that Hasan's fellow students complained to the faculty about Hasan's anti-American propaganda, but said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim student kept off the students from filing a formal complaint. Is that true?

CASEY: I think we need to be very careful here about speculating based on anecdotes like that. We are encouraging all of our soldiers and leaders that may have information pertaining to the suspect to come forward with that information to the criminal investigation division and to the FBI. So, I realize there is a lot out there. We all want to know what happened and what motivated the suspect, but I think we need to be very, very careful here in these early days to let the investigation take its course. These are professionals and they will sort through this.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So it's fair to say that right now, you can't rule out anything. We don't know if this was an act of premeditated political terror, or if this was a case of someone who just snapped.

CASEY: I think you are exactly right, and I don't think we should speculate on one or the other or any other possibilities.

STEPHANOPOULOS: One of the things this does raise, though, is the special challenge paused to all of you by Muslims in the military.

There are only about 3,000 Muslims in the military right now, and on the one hand, you want to recruit Muslims. There is a great need for Muslims in the military right now. On the other hand, this is not the first case we've seen of fratricide by someone with a Muslim background in the military. How do you deal with this challenge?

CASEY: Again, I think that's something else we need to be very careful about, and I think the speculation could potentially heighten backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers. And what happened at Fort Hood was a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here. And it's not just about Muslims. We have a very diverse army. We have a very diverse society.

And that gives us all strength. So again, we need to be very careful with that.
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I have a lot of respect for the military.....especially a General.

However, I disagree with General Casey on this one. Of course we have a diverse society.... does that mean we should open up our soft underbelly? Islamist extremists need to be reckoned with!

If we don't get a hold of this.... Political correctness is going to destroy this country.
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Old 11-10-2009, 02:32 PM   #2
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CASEY: Again, I think that's something else we need to be very careful about, and I think the speculation could potentially heighten backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers. And what happened at Fort Hood was a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here. And it's not just about Muslims. We have a very diverse army. We have a very diverse society.

And that gives us all strength. So again, we need to be very careful with that.
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HUH? what an absolutely PC, insensitive and ignorant remark from a General. a greater tragedy than 13 murdered? i haven't heard of any backlash yet and doubt there will be any unless some loser is out there backing up the shooter. then he/she deserves the backlash.
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Old 11-10-2009, 08:44 PM   #3
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What good diversity when it harbors evil intent?
Premeditative even...What's that...evil X10?
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Old 11-10-2009, 08:46 PM   #4
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HUH? what an absolutely PC, insensitive and ignorant remark from a General. a greater tragedy than 13 murdered? i haven't heard of any backlash yet and doubt there will be any unless some loser is out there backing up the shooter. then he/she deserves the backlash.
I hope the military doesn't sweep this under the rug.
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Old 11-10-2009, 09:04 PM   #5
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The general needs to be fired. I guarantee you that every soldier under his command is looking at the general, at rigid attention then parade rest and thinking-' what kind of an dumbass does he think we are'...

Here's the Generals message translated:


.... rowdy paraphrase- 'Ladies and Gentleman (not troops or soldiers), I don't give a rats ass about your personal safety It would be tragic if we lost the spirit of diversity that allows each one of the potential terrorists that live among you, share your toilets, your living quarters, your clasrooms, your tanks, the weapons range and in every tight knit space you must live in while under contract to serve till death, or enlistment ends.

The terrorists need the opportunity and freedom to arm themselves at any point in their career, bad mouth the United States Government, be critical of the war, or sit under radical jihadist teachers, free of harassment or accusations of sedition or treason. But don't worry I'm safe because from now on my staff will be armed....

I know its bad that we lost 13 of our men today and 30 others will suffer life long scars and injuries, but cant we just be nice to them? Hmmm? Cant we?
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The general needs to be fired. I guarantee you that every soldier under his command is looking at the general, at rigid attention then parade rest and thinking-' what kind of an dumbass does he think we are'...

Here's the Generals message translated:


.... rowdy paraphrase- 'Ladies and Gentleman (not troops or soldiers), I don't give a rats ass about your personal safety It would be tragic if we lost the spirit of diversity that allows each one of the potential terrorists that live among you, share your toilets, your living quarters, your clasrooms, your tanks, the weapons range and in every tight knit space you must live in while under contract to serve till death, or enlistment ends.

The terrorists need the opportunity and freedom to arm themselves at any point in their career, bad mouth the United States Government, be critical of the war, or sit under radical jihadist teachers, free of harassment or accusations of sedition or treason. But don't worry I'm safe because from now on my staff will be armed....

I know its bad that we lost 13 of our men today and 30 others will suffer life long scars and injuries, but cant we just be nice to them? Hmmm? Cant we?
political correctness at the expense of our military, again.
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I see everyone here throwing a fit over the General's statement; however, what is your solution? Throw every practicing Muslim out of our military? Instead, why don't we just deal with the whack jobs on a case-by-case basis? That would seem to be the more sensible approach.
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Old 11-11-2009, 12:26 AM   #8
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I see everyone here throwing a fit over the General's statement; however, what is your solution? Throw every practicing Muslim out of our military? Instead, why don't we just deal with the whack jobs on a case-by-case basis? That would seem to be the more sensible approach.
You do it all- not just focus on keeping our precious diversity.

You start looking at the service members who have questionable back grounds or who are outspoken like hasan was, you enhance security clearances and back ground checks to focus on recent past not distant past, you take every soldier through a lie detector test and ask them if they are in a group or groups that advocate the overthrow of the US government.

You actively give servicemen reason to trust their fellow servicemen, you give them some assurances that you have a system in place that protects them form islamic terrorists like hasan.

If I were still in the service I'd be looking at the system they have, note the flaws and protect myself as best I could. Think about this too- this happened on a US Army Post- on most posts families live right on Post- If I'm in Iraq fighting, I shouldn't be worried that my family is in possible danger at home from my Fellow Soldiers.

If my family is in danger- to hell with diversity, no diversity is worth my childs life. But you cant just sit up there and be worried that the loosing our diversity is MORE of a tragedy than 13 murdered and 31 wounded- that just pisses a soldier off.
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"Diversity"???? I think everyone in the military should be on our side and those who fight for the other side, shouldnt be allowed.
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I see everyone here throwing a fit over the General's statement; however, what is your solution? Throw every practicing Muslim out of our military? Instead, why don't we just deal with the whack jobs on a case-by-case basis? That would seem to be the more sensible approach.
I can't believe how blinded you are! For crying out loud, what more do you need. This guy should have been fired when the FBI found out that he was dealing with the enemy.
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