What will be the next stage?

[bigd49]

When we look at the evolution of man’s association with a supreme being we see that at first we worshiped everything under the sun and including the sun. Then the Hebrews introduces monotheism into the world. From that we have the son of God, Jesus Christ, who brought us the Kingdom of God on earth, “The Church”. Now from that we entered into the evolutionary stage called religion. After two thousand years we are starting to see a shift in thinking once again. It seems that spirituality is the next phase of our evolution, and if it is to be where will it lead us? If it’s not what do you think the next stage of evolution will be?

[Altoid]

I hope it brings us the good things that are possible.

Often at times it seams more of the same.

So maybe what is before us is the same thing that always was and that is to honor the past present and future one way or another.

[Helix42]

When we look at the evolution of man’s association with a supreme being we see that at first we worshiped everything under the sun and including the sun. Then the Hebrews introduces monotheism into the world. From that we have the son of God, Jesus Christ, who brought us the Kingdom of God on earth, “The Church”. Now from that we entered into the evolutionary stage called religion. After two thousand years we are starting to see a shift in thinking once again. It seems that spirituality is the next phase of our evolution, and if it is to be where will it lead us? If it’s not what do you think the next stage of evolution will be?

I am not an evolutionist...

Why would our "association" with a supreme being - who presumably created us - need to evolve? I am not saying that it wouldn't change I am questioning the use of the term evolve.

So, why do think that man worshiped all these other things first? Genesis clearly teaches that we at one time walked face to face with God. That would make us monotheistic. All the other faiths and religions would have emerged after the fall. (I refer to Genesis here because your profile says that you are a Christian)

If this is true then the Hebrews didn't introduce monotheism; they simply preserved it.

If Jesus Christ is the Son of God, then it would seem that a turning away from Him to some distorted and amorphous "spirituality" you would be stepping away from God not toward Him. That would be a devolution rather and an evolution. So, why would you call something that is not an improvement "evolution". I assume you are using the term, as context would suggest, to mean a steady progression from a less to a more favorable state.

Later...

[H20gerl]

Why can't we just be responsible for our own direction and existance? We are big boys and girls, we know what's right and what's wrong.
I don't need to pretend someone else is going to decide my outcome. I also highly doubt that some space ship flew over and kicked my ancestors out either.

[lampoil]

Why can't we just be responsible for our own direction and existance? We are big boys and girls, we know what's right and what's wrong.
I don't need to pretend someone else is going to decide my outcome. I also highly doubt that some space ship flew over and kicked my ancestors out either.

I don't need to pretend someone else is going to decide my outcome

Well there is the free will it is always there, and if you did let someone else hold the reigns how would that be ""pretending"". Logically it would be a choice right? :)

[tmar]

It will lead us out of the darkness where our spirits will be one with our flesh and out hearts shall know no wrong.

Yet we will be looked at and thought of badly. But it will be done for love and the spirit so the flesh will be one and your kingdom will be whole.

[Tracery]

... It seems that spirituality is the next phase of our evolution, and if it is to be where will it lead us? If it’s not what do you think the next stage of evolution will be?

Some think Morel mushrooms taste like fish. "Is fish a good dish?" goes Gorky's steam radiator.

"Fish is a good dish indeed!" may be the response from the Red Queen before she disapears into the tureen of soup.

Literature seems to warn us about the dangers of raising our personal moral standards above other peoples and nations. Perhaps we will evolve into being less judgemental, who knows.

[BigFloatingBrain]

As above so below... The Greeks had republic with many rulers, and many gods to rule them. Christians had one king and one god. I am waiting for the church of Heaven, Co. opens and we can all buy into the holy corporation...

[jillsthoughts]

I think that the more we "progress," the more we go back to the old ways. I am not referring to the Crusades, but to the times well before Christianity. The times when everything and everyone was viewed as an extension of the Creator. Before we had patriarchial tribes. When there was more peace and harmony. Helix, when you said, "the Genesis clearly teaches that we at one time walked face to face with God," I believe that might be right, but my interpretation is that we saw the Creator in everything, vs the literal interpretation that I think you are suggesting.

I think we are seeing more violence because we need to reach a critical mass for us to realize this war stuff has not been working for us for the past 4000 years. Slow learners, aren't we??

[Helix42]

The times when everything and everyone was viewed as an extension of the Creator. Before we had patriarchial tribes. When there was more peace and harmony.I am curious - when exactly was this?

To my knowledge there was no time like this recorded in all of human history, with the exception of the time prior to the fall of man in Genesis when we literally walked face to face with God.

Not trying to be sarcastic or make fun, but when was there a time like that?

Later

[Tracery]

I think we are seeing more violence because we need to reach a critical mass for us to realize this war stuff has not been working for us for the past 4000 years. Slow learners, aren't we??

A Rainbow teacher advised me that you can't cut out one persons past-time without cutting out someone elses. It just wouldn't be fair. Besides, all that calcium fights global warming or something.

[jillsthoughts]

I am curious - when exactly was this?

To my knowledge there was no time like this recorded in all of human history, with the exception of the time prior to the fall of man in Genesis when we literally walked face to face with God.

Not trying to be sarcastic or make fun, but when was there a time like that?

Later

We were a matriarchial society about 3000 BC. Societies at that time revolved around women leaders. The women made the decisions. There was not a mentality for war and power. People peacefully existed side by side.

There have been many other documentations throughout the world that coexisted at the same time as the Bible. Many were destroyed during the Christian Crusades, but several survived.

I am not offended by your questioning. I work with women's circles, and we often discuss this time, and we see our world and its leaders slowly returning to a world of peace.

[jillsthoughts]

A Rainbow teacher advised me that you can't cut out one persons past-time without cutting out someone elses. It just wouldn't be fair. Besides, all that calcium fights global warming or something.

Hmmm... okay.... :confused:

[Tracery]

If you had a son who wanted to die, I think you and the state would be happy to assist him in the most painless manner, after some counselling.

However, this is not the case, very messy options are often society's only recourse provided to their beloved.

[jillsthoughts]

If you had a son who wanted to die, I think you and the state would be happy to assist him in the most painless manner, after some counselling.

However, this is not the case, very messy options are often society's only recourse provided to their beloved.

I have to assume that this son is very ill, right? And the doctor says there is no sign of his rallying? Then I would do it, but what a burden on my heart.

[Helix42]

We were a matriarchial society about 3000 BC. Societies at that time revolved around women leaders. The women made the decisions. There was not a mentality for war and power. People peacefully existed side by side.Glad you aren't offended by questions...

What is your source for this? I have always been under the impression that the vast majority of societies in this world were patriarchal not matriarchal. There were a few matriarchal societies, but these, in general were small pockets, not the whole world.

Later

[Tracery]

If Satan is the god of this world (as some christian sites suggest) then I imagine Satan abhors the thought of being left alone or isolated, therefor suicide is not recomended (I'm conjecturing the cause of whys and wherefors).

If Satan had the option of leaving this world thru suicide then the option would be welcomed as humane. But obviously Satan is stuck here and doesn't have that option and therefore no-one else has that option unless they do it themselves.

Is it within the Christian mind-set to feel pity on Satans predicament?

[Helix42]

If Satan is the god of this world (as some christian sites suggest) then I imagine Satan abhors the thought of being left alone or isolated, therefor suicide is not recomended (I'm conjecturing the cause of whys and wherefors).I am not sure I am catching the thread, or connection, in these ideas could you provide more insight?

If Satan had the option of leaving this world thru suicide then the option would be welcomed as humane. But obviously Satan is stuck here and doesn't have that option and therefore no-one else has that option unless they do it themselves.Satan is a liar and a devourer, he knows no mercy, compassion or kindness. If someone commits suicide by the hand of another, then it isn't suicide, its murder (or at least being killed). Suicide means to kill oneself, so there is no other way to commit suicide other than "doing it yourself".

Would you please try to reword this or provide an explanation of how these ideas go together, because I can't get a lock on what you are trying to say...

Is it within the Christian mind-set to feel pity on Satans predicament?I would say yes. Satan gave up being the pinnacle of creation to become the enemy of God. His condition is pitiable so it is likely OK to feel sorry for him. However, this sympathy cannot extend beyond feeling badly for what might have been, for what has been lost. He has become the terrible enemy of everything God has created. His desire is only to enslave and destroy. So, you can feel badly for him, but don't turn your back on him.

Later

[jillsthoughts]

Glad you aren't offended by questions...

What is your source for this? I have always been under the impression that the vast majority of societies in this world were patriarchal not matriarchal. There were a few matriarchal societies, but these, in general were small pockets, not the whole world.

Later

Hi Helix, I am not going to be able to site my sources for you, as I have read numerous articles and books since my undergrad women's study classes to these 2o some years later. However, you can look up a lot of information on the web these days, and I am sure that you can find the information you are looking for.

Basically, the premise is that ancient societies (5000 years ago and more) in China, Indo Europe, and in the Americas were matriarchal societies. The people were primarily farmers. Families were traced to the women's lineage. These "clans" were self-supporting and did not look to overpower their neighboring clans. They were peace-loving. There was a strong connection to God/dess in every day life, in every day activities.

Some of us believe that time is coming again. I can only hope so. :)

Good luck in your research!

[Tracery]

Where am I, what am I doing?

That metaphore of speaking to each other in a cave while only viewing each others reflections on the cave wall may help to clarify my position of somewhat scatterbrained and clueless presence.

OK, let's say Satan is a liar as well as probably being sadistic & masochistic.

Satan would use lies to further his image. Satan would lie about past occurences, perhaps to the point of believing his own lies like a child who crys rape when none occured.

How many times are we confronted by a plea for compassion from a purported rape or molestation that is more geared towards a sadistic agenda?

Perhaps we fuel a childs imaginings to satisfy our own sadistic urges.

Perhaps an observation of overt masochistic tedencies in early childhood can be a guide to a subsequent obsession and delusion.

Perhaps we can sum up Satan as being obsessed & deluded with an agenda of spreading false info for the satisfaction of sadistic urges. (not that there's anything wrong with that, as has been covered elsewhere.)

[BigFloatingBrain]

I was wondering about the matriarchal societies that you was writing about. I myself had studied archeology and ancient history and can only think of two. the "Amazons" of Russia (there are the earliest woman warrior burials in the Steppes) and the (sorry can think of the name right now, starts with M and existed right before the Greeks, an island just off the coast) who worshiped a pantheon with a supreme female deity. There is no evidence that the was or was not a female (human) leader.
I notice that you clam that there was no 'mentality' for war or power. I have never heard of such a time, female leaders or no. Sounds like you had been told a feminist fable showing how when women lead everything was good and what is wrong with the world is men. Yes there were more female deities, yes there were women with exalted positions (no necessarily a chieftain) but no there were still wars and no there were still power struggles.
PS my studies are a bit more recent than 20 years ago, and the head of archeology was (and still is, but a different one now) a woman where I studied.

[jillsthoughts]

I was wondering about the matriarchal societies that you was writing about. I myself had studied archeology and ancient history and can only think of two. the "Amazons" of Russia (there are the earliest woman warrior burials in the Steppes) and the (sorry can think of the name right now, starts with M and existed right before the Greeks, an island just off the coast) who worshiped a pantheon with a supreme female deity. There is no evidence that the was or was not a female (human) leader.
I notice that you clam that there was no 'mentality' for war or power. I have never heard of such a time, female leaders or no. Sounds like you had been told a feminist fable showing how when women lead everything was good and what is wrong with the world is men. Yes there were more female deities, yes there were women with exalted positions (no necessarily a chieftain) but no there were still wars and no there were still power struggles.
PS my studies are a bit more recent than 20 years ago, and the head of archeology was (and still is, but a different one now) a woman where I studied.

It's pretty easy to google a search. If you are truly interested, check it out. If you just want to argue that it's a man's world and always has been ("feminist fable" sounds like that is your intent), I won't go there with you. I'm all about the peace, man!

[tmar]

A man's world.... never it has been the womans world since the beginning.... some even go as far as thinking that they are god. I respect women that look at man as being equals.... Equality only goes so far.

My belief is that it is mans duty to keep his seed for fertile land. When all you have is rocks and sand you live in desolation. I pray to the heavens to find that land that is mine but it is no where to be found. I keep my seed filled with love and it shines to the heavens waiting for love.... that which can overcome.... that which has no fear.... that which is fair and just. What is the next stage.... we are and we decide life or death as to how far we are willing to go for love. We all have different paths and have had different experiences. What good is it to know love and only see that kingdom wither away. Just be yourselves that is the next stage and always was. If it leads you to death then it was your way. If it leads to life then it was your way.... let it be and grow little ones... :-)

[BigFloatingBrain]

The "feminist fable" remark was aimed at the bit where everything was great when women were in charge. I don't deny that "it's a Man's world." From my book research in an academic institution's libary and not web research when I studied ancient societies found little evidence, aside from the two societies i mentioned that there was a time where the whole world was run by women and the whole world was at piece. I know that through out the ages there have been women leaders, even in oppressive male dominated societies, there were still women that could make decisions (by that i mean in a position to...) Even the most matriarchal societies that I know of had strong male figures and still went to war.
I am all for womens rights, but there is an undertone in feminism that I don't like. Namely the bit that says that I'm crap because I'm not a woman. I am not accusing you of that, but someone telling you that in the distant past when we women were in charge, the world lived in peace and rivers were made of chocolate. THAT sounds like a fairy tale to me.
And now that i have had that rant, I will research it, first on line, then at the university.

[gingereli]

I must agree with tmar our purpose has and always will be to survive and procreate.
Nothing else really seems to matter as long as we protect our progeny.

[Tracery]

When we look at the evolution of man’s association with a supreme being we see that at first we worshiped everything under the sun and including the sun. Then the Hebrews introduces monotheism into the world. From that we have the son of God, Jesus Christ, who brought us the Kingdom of God on earth, “The Church”. Now from that we entered into the evolutionary stage called religion. After two thousand years we are starting to see a shift in thinking once again. It seems that spirituality is the next phase of our evolution, and if it is to be where will it lead us? If it’s not what do you think the next stage of evolution will be?

I think the next stage of evolution is when we decide that we have had enough of differentiation and issue translators to everyone. Not only can a Welshman converse with and understand a Scotsman but a New York banker could understand a hog farmer.

No,really. Differentiation will divide us all. We will need translators to talk to our kids and the weightiest topic will be something like "Just what is the meaning of 'Sprout', and what are the ramifications when mentioning the word in some circles, and does my translator have a caution for that??

Yup, differentation will insure that housewives somewhere will be shopping and not give a fig about what's happening on Tiburus IX. And halfway around the galaxy young Jonathan Smutts is assembling a model spaceship while grandpappy fiddles with the galctic radio and momma prepares for the midnite shift while Wendy Smutts is deciding just what combination or patois of languages she will using that day...Perhaps something new and as yet unintelligable.

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[jillsthoughts]

The "feminist fable" remark was aimed at the bit where everything was great when women were in charge. I don't deny that "it's a Man's world." From my book research in an academic institution's libary and not web research when I studied ancient societies found little evidence, aside from the two societies i mentioned that there was a time where the whole world was run by women and the whole world was at piece. I know that through out the ages there have been women leaders, even in oppressive male dominated societies, there were still women that could make decisions (by that i mean in a position to...) Even the most matriarchal societies that I know of had strong male figures and still went to war.
I am all for womens rights, but there is an undertone in feminism that I don't like. Namely the bit that says that I'm crap because I'm not a woman. I am not accusing you of that, but someone telling you that in the distant past when we women were in charge, the world lived in peace and rivers were made of chocolate. THAT sounds like a fairy tale to me.
And now that i have had that rant, I will research it, first on line, then at the university.

Hi Bigfloatingbrain, I would not define matriarchal societies as feminism. In fact, feminism implies there is a you and us mentality. That was not the way of the matriarchal societies. Once you start to divide yourself, you are in a patriarchal society: power, war, etc.

Also, "someone" telling me that there were matriarchal societies at one time is incorrect. I have read about these societies for longer than you have been living. :D What I do not have in my hands are the books that I have read on the subject. I have long since thrown away my undergrad college textbooks, and I am terrible about remembering titles and authors of the other books that I have read along the way. I read an average of 2-3 books a week. So while I cannot tell you specific authors, that does not mean I have not read on the subject. Perhaps I am too lazy to look for you, but in truth, I don't care if you believe in matriarchal societies enough to go searching for the information myself. That is why I said that YOU can do the research if it is importand to you. ;)

Finally, I WISH the rivers were made of chocolate! Please don't insult me, though. I'm not a stupid woman, even if I don't agree with you. :)

[BigFloatingBrain]

I apologize If I have insulted you in any way, that was not my intention. I do not believe a matriarchal society IS feminism, just that when it is implied that everything was better when women ran the place, THAT sounds like feminism.
Now, I have done some web research and I have come against two problems for a "matriarchal society." The first is that (as I mentioned) there is little or weak evidence that there had been a major matriarchal power. That argument itself was not well represented and shown to be weak itself (i don't care enough to look into that). The other is that matriarchal seems ill defined as there appears to be two meanings and definitions that range between the two. One is where a woman is the leader and women have power, those societies are known to go to war. The other is basically a communist democracy (not like the USSR which was a dictatorship) in which no-one is aggressive in any way, men are known to be 'in charge' if that is the right term, of those societies as well as women. That meaning seems to be uncommon, as the few articles I read implied that this was the real meaning, despite a common misconception. I will make the assumption that that is was you would have been referring to as the meaning. One society was said to not be a 'true' matriarchal society because they could be represented by men. I had been under the impression that the Women led society was the exclusive meaning of this, although it seems to still be a prerequisite in some peoples eyes. The views that some feminists had given me were that of women led societies were better because men were not in charge. I disagree with that and thought that is what you had been implying.

On another note to say that there was no war in ancient societies? War over a hunting ground because your family is starving meant survival. Modern wars over territory and power are not. Modern Matriarchal societies are small and somewhat isolated and so have no need (or desire in the case of the one that is surrounded by all of China) to war.
If all the prehistoric societies were matriarchal, tribes would willingly starve when food sources became low, because they would not war with another for their hunting ground. I doubt any society would starve like that. There may have been no in fighting or conquering, but turf wars would have occurred.
Personally, I would doubt that any past society could have achieved such a peaceful existence, without there being an abundance of food and little danger. There are places like that, but on the whole, most places in the world would have been a fight for survival even with other people.

Sorry if I sound argumentative, but I can't even order a pizza without the pizza guy thinking I am picking on him!

[jillsthoughts]

BFB, I guess we just read different information!

[BigFloatingBrain]

Probably. Although giving the label Patriarchal to mean Hierarchal seems confusing. I would (and did) take that Patriarchal meant led by men and Matriarchal meant led by women. By that definition though, technically most of the 'western' world is neither. There is no legal reason why the USA could not have a female president of Australia have a female PM, New Zealand does (or did) and the UK did. If Matriarchal just means without Hierarchy, then I don't have a problem with it. I just think it needs a better label, as they imply a gender division of government not a power model.

[bigd49]

Isn't it funny how this conversation has evolved from the original question? It shows that we are continually evolving, and the real question is, are we moving forward or backwards?

[tmar]

I think we are stuck in a loop not going forward or backward but just repeating. When you stop trying and just accept then you are part of the loop. Have you ever tried something different out of the norm even though it is said to not work or unhealthy. I know people that live in filth every day and they are well respected in their communities. Are they trying to evolve? I would say YES... moving forward or backward is only a perception and sometimes you need to move back just to move forward.

[MrJohn]

Confusion is next.

[bigd49]

Hey MrJohn if confusion is next then where have we been for the last five thousand years?

[Pauligan]

I know my next phase of evolution will be death. Anything past that isn't really going to matter any how.

[tmar]

we become the grey ones that we think are from outer space.

[DifficultSoul]

I think that we all go through a personal evolution in spirit.
Genetically, we all cycle the same, 'we live-we die.'
It is not about genetics, it is about spirit.
Spiritually, we are all on a different level at any given time.
God does not exist in religion, he never did.
He is Spirit,

[bigd49]

Spiritually, we are all on a different level at any given time.
God does not exist in religion, he never did.
He is Spirit,

Thank you DS for this observation I been wondering how long it would take you to post this response. So many people are stuck in religious dogma that they fail to see the truth of God. Below is an excerpt from my book Creating a Mindset

The Law of Unity states; we must establish conformity in the physical world to that of the spiritual world in order to create harmony within. This in turn allows us to connect with God, which then establishes balance between the three known divinities, which is the greatest good. This is where we become God centered.

The law of unity is about establishing our rightful relationship with God and each other. But it all starts with God. We know that there are three know divinities God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. We also know that two of the divinities reside in a realm that is beyond our comprehension, but not our imagination. The third divinity resides within us as is stated by Jesus “I send another in my place” “a comforter” as Jesus also refers this name to the Holy Ghost. So it would seem that by learning to communicate with our inner spirit we then can communicate with God and Jesus. Just as becoming God centered creates harmony within ourselves it also allows us to create harmony with each other.

Side note:
The intention of my book is not to write about our relationship with God, or our relationship with each other. The books intention is to explain how it is we create a mindset for obtaining those things in life we wish to have. I merely us the domain of divine law as described in my book to explain that there are rules to not just reaching higher levels of achievement, but sustaining that level of success without causing harm to ourselves and those around us.

D

[DifficultSoul]

"The Law of Unity states; we must establish conformity in the physical world to that of the spiritual world in order to create harmony within."

I could not agree more.
My work now, is trying to live out...what is trapped inside my soul.
It is my idea of peace.
Impressive that you wrote a book.
Seems very interesting.
I have always believed that Jesus is God.
God's Flesh....
Scripture says that "I and the Father are one."
"If you have seen me, you have seen the Father."
Trinity Spirit- The Flesh (our bodies)...The Spirit (that which cannot die)...The Soul (our mind).
In my mind....We were created in the image of God.
Jesus was the archetype....the blueprint....of the Trinity Spirit.
We all are Trinity Spirits.
Three manifested parts to the human spirit.
Thanks for stirring my mind about God.
I really need that distraction.
Searching for spiritual truth is my favorite thing in the world.

[bigd49]

Searching for spiritual truth is my favorite thing in the world

This I know about you for it is infused in your writing. Just remember all truth resides within us and we can no more separate ourselves from truth than we can separate ourselves from perception. So we must realize that perception like a veil of disbelief is colored by our senses and distorted by our experiences. When we learn to look past the hypocrisy of perception then and only then are we able to realize truth as it relates to all things spiritual.

I see from your writing that you do indeed understand a great deal about truth.

[DifficultSoul]

"So we must realize that perception like a veil of disbelief is colored by our senses and distorted by our experiences. "

I like it...
One world, but so many realities, because we all see the world differently.
We all worship differently.
We are all so very different....but -oh so much- alike.

If only to look beyond the hypocrisy.
That is when the dreamy faith is born.
To be born into.....A 'calm knowing'

[bigd49]

Beautifully put:

One world, but so many realities, because we all see the world differently.
We all worship differently.
We are all so very different....but -oh so much- alike.

If only to look beyond the hypocrisy.
That is when the dreamy faith is born.
To be born into.....A 'calm knowing'


It’s that moment when everything around you fades into the background and you become fully aware of God’s presences, and as you stand there allowing his presences to permeate your being, you find yourself connected to God in ways that don’t seem real, but everything about life comes into focus. Answers are then answered and the moment is gone leaving you craving for more, yet satisfied beyond imagination. Yes a “calm knowing” I would agree. The wind on your skin is like touching God’s breath. Standing there I find myself mesmerized be the moment, but fully aware of God’s presences.

[bigd49]

If we are to evolve to a new level of spirituality would it not be prudent to shake lose from the shackles of religion?

[Already_ll_Disturbed]

In my own ways, I have done my little bit of research on this topic, what I cam to understand that Humankind is much more than what we are today

Starting with the stone age - Fear was the basis of religion

It is strange but the division of worshipping the supreme being came through simple observations.

Humankind a long time back observed this:

A person alive and well, suddenly appeared to be dead and stationary, the skin was there, the blood was there, the heart and all the organs were there, but there was still something thats missing, this is where the worship of gratitude entered.

The hunter gatherers created rituals around it when they slaughtered an animal is gratitude of being able to consume it. This is the origination of the HALAL that Muslims believe when slaughtering an animal.

On the other hand, there were the farmer types, who had to be dependent on the rain, the sun for the growth of their crops. Rituals were created according to that which is very evident in the SANATANA DHARMA or hinduism as it is known.

Then came the split I had to deal with between two major paths to beliefs

The one life concept and the many life concepts

There is no such accurate or specific statement in the Christian or Muslim Faith that states that we have only one life, we have have only one body or look but surely not one life. Infact there are ambiguous statements in both religions that can be interpreted as rebirth.

Then came the suffering, and ever loving God. I had to find a way in truth to look beyond it and I could which gave me immense satisfaction that what is currently occuring to the children in Africa has validity on a spiritual realm and maintaining my search for an ever loving GOD. This could only be possible through rebirth or Karma.

Learning all this collasped my entire belief system and unified all religions as one

Humankind like children need to know a little at a time for it to be consumed and understood by all

Mass communication through teachers and scriptural text is what I call RELIGION

What is unreasonable is its intepretation by so called Teachers or Priest or Imams

It was known that to control population the tool called religion is the best form, it creates fear, it allow discipline, it makes politics correct and moreover it allows atrocities and good to be conducted in the name of GOD.

With regards to your query, there will come a time when humankind will realise that what it is doing is what a cancer cell does, eats it host alive to survive and eventually ends itself in the process. We are no difference from a cancer cell in this way.

But hope comes in form of the WEB where letting ones thought to influence another directly breaking boundaries of culture, nationality and religion.

I thank you for this thread. There is much to say, but there is more to learn.

Nothing will ever happen. Mankind will not cease to exist. Ego will cease in time, but not life :-) Be well and in peace

[Ng2008]

Death is the next stage.

[freethinker]

We will not be here but if mankind "was" I would picture a hairless species, weaker but on the plus size, using more mental facilities than we currently do. Again, this also applies to animals who would evolve as well so who knows which will be more advanced

[bigd49]

If we are to evolve spiritually should we not step out side the limits of religion?