there is only censorship friend when rules are being broken.
i am sorry that you cannot see the love of the people on thoughts
but it is there if you look.
peace to you
regards fraglerock

Censorship is never justified, Hiding it is even more disturbing.

I find it amusing that you would some how make me being censored a justified act.

I was blogging, and commenting, another member of this site was doing the same. The same equal party happened to have beliefs that this site encourages so I was made a villain, and they are attempting to punish me.

Tell me how that fits, and is some how justified?

In your opinion is it ok to punish people for there beliefs? It would seem your siding with that practice.

If thinking is rule breaking, they should call this site thoughtless.com and allow only mindless diatribe to be the norm.

i am only saying friend that if the
staff deem it neccesary to censor someone
(if they indeed censor you at all that is)
then they would have good cause to do so.
you should'nt really be bellyaching anyway,
you should just enjoy the site for what it is,
damn good entertainment.

i hope you free yourself from this belief
that everyone is against you friend,
because that is not the case here.
you are lucky no one has flagged you for
boosting your blog to nearly a hundred like
2 minutes after you posted.
just chill dude and go with the flow.
regards fraglerock

look I worked in IT for several years, I still practice update my computer skills.

I know when I'm being blocked / limited. That was the case.

No longer, I figured out a useful method to get around it.

I am now capable of getting into this site from any location around the world. So they can block and limit me all they want.

All I was doing is pointing out the fact, that they are censoring me, again.

One should not take freedoms being removed so lightly. Nor should compliance be the game.

I can relate to what you are saying - my account was completedly deleted, the admins say one of their team members made a 'mistake'. Well that mistake cost me quite a bit of work that I had been doing for over a week or so as I have been on holidays - I can't be bothered posting as much now because I am scared of the same thing happening again or perhaps they will start censoring me as well.
Plus I believe if anyone is breaking the rules (which I did not) as least get a warning. I agree with you about the name change of this site...

my friend i tried to answer your question yesterday when you got all the drama boots on about your blog being deleted, and pointed out that perhaps the spam links in your profile are what got your account deleted.
you too are better than this as i have read some of your posts as well.
just take a chill pill folks
ONE LOVE
regards fraglerock

I suggest you do what I do, any of your entries your particular fond of, simply save the entry, or my previous method just saving what ever I post as a text document.

I run a 1 TB dual redundant server, and do regular backups...They can delete my blog but never remove my thoughts.

There are better sites then this one, if I hadn't met people on here, and read a few blogs I like on here, I would just leave.

I think being censored has encouraged me to write, and find methods around there attempts.

wait...theres no backup servers on this site? you gotta be kidding me.

oh and just as an afterthought you will gain no friends by continually hitting your refresh button.
regards fraglerock

you know,

nit picking seems to be a great technique to acquire friends.

Perhaps but making a fool of yourself is just silly, i
know you to be a better blogger than this i have seen it.
all this does is lose you all the credibility that you
have built up here.
so just stop and think a litle friend.
IS THIS REALLY WORTH YOUR ANGST???
just a thought
regards fraglerock

Is this really worth my angst...

MOST CERTAINLY.

I despise all forms of censorship, and dislike the slippery path that those that censor follow on there way to proving they are completely right by silencing any one that would challenge them.

Besides, this frustration has taught me some useful skills.

I'm broadcasting that censorship exists on this site all be it hidden...I think people writing here should know.

if this imaginary censorship exists you speak of then why has my blog not been deleted or censored in any way shape or form???
i have apparently and i quote "a chunk of people here who hate me" but i am still blogging friend if censorship goes on here then why is this next post still available for all to see??
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In Great Britain they call it the Nanny State. You get looked after for life, at the taxpayers expense

Below is what I wrote in reply to ---------'S blog


"See fraglerock for how to milk the Social Security system to get free healthcare. That man is permanently sick, even though he recently bought an old barge boat and was well healthy enough to fix it up, but not healthy enough to do an honest job.
That man is sick but is healthy enough to go lobster fishing and have days out to visit airshows. Sickness benefits are nearly double that of unemployment benefits, so it is financially better for him to be 'sick'. He has free drug prescriptions for life. Furthermore, the British government support not only him, but his NINE children.
Free health care.
Give me some NOW.
(I'm tired of having to work for a living)"
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oh and this is very mild compared to some of the crap i have had here.
so you see my friend if they censored you for something it must have been pretty bad to beat this one huh???
just a thought again friend.
take it easy
regards fraglerock

What exactly are you trying to say?

All I'm saying is an event occurred, they sided with the other party, threatened me. Left it at that in the obvious range.

With in a day or two of that event I started noticing time outs on this site. I tested this with other sites. The only website I found any connectivity issues became thoughts.com

On times where I could not connect I jumped to a proxy and was able to gain access. I retested this several times and found that my ip address was being limited. When you run a site or program a router, you can add entries in your routing rules that block or limit connection from certain ip addresses.

This is a means to block and hinder hackers. The way this site was using it was to censor me. I do not just falsely assume things.

I test, I test again, I find the problem, I get around it.

The sequence of events and the problems that came to light told me of a hidden problem, with a less then hidden agenda.

Saying I should just take it, or maybe I'm making it up is irresponsible, and lacking any true compassion.

you see there you go, last night at about 7pm UK time everyone on thoughts had problems logging in, i suspect if you contact the team you will find i made them aware of the situation and they were investigating.
if you don't believe that here is the link to the blogs i put in, in relation to this problem yesterday.
and one is right at the bottom of this page
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http://www.thoughts.com/fraglerock/blog/what-is-goi ng-on-here-right-now-374438/
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http://www.thoughts.com/fraglerock/blog/meltdown-sp rings-to-mind-374451/
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http://www.thoughts.com/fraglerock/blog/yeay-we-are -back-to-normal-374528/
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you see so there you have it my friend, as usual it has all been in your head
and you have'nt been censored at all just check out the links to prove it.
take it easy dude
regards fraglerock

ok well that explains last night...for logging in issues, not timing out, and dropped connection.

can you equally explain why for the last 2 weeks I have been having issues?

Specially time outs on my home connection...

Yet at the exact same time I use a proxy and I am able to connect in with out any issue?


you do not know what you are talking about nor do you understand what is going on. I do not have a login issue, I have a time out issue, which follows a predictable path.

So predictable that I was able to get around it. If it did not exist such measures would be unnecessary.

i was logged out and heading for bed until i checked my emails to see you had replied, so to be polite i logged back in to answer your email, you see there you go again, i tried to explain to you what acctaully happened and you turned it round again, what happened last night has been happening quite a lot recently on thoughts due to the fact they are working on updating the site to account for the extra blog traffic coming our way since going global.
everyone had problems yesterday with posting blogs,comments,in the forums,logging in, loggingout, and a host of other problems.
if you acctually took the time to check the links i posted in your comments then you would have seen, that i contacted the staff about the problem and they thanked me and said they were investigating. so you see my friend i do acctually know what i am talking about and your paranoia is obvious on this occasion.
you were wrong to boost yor blog to the top of the popular list in the fashion you did as it means absolutely nothing to anyone but yourself, i even removed my blog from the popular list so that i would not be associated with yours.
i will post this in your comments as well so that others do not make the same MISTAKE that you have.
take care friend
regards fraglerock
p.s. when am i going to see another of your gardner blogs??? they are much more worth the effort than this.

You say its just the site, and some upgrades.

That does not explain connection drops on my connection, and clear sailing with a proxy...Fine.

You say its just a coincidence.

Seems like a convenient excuse, again does not answer my question...Fine.

As I said, I have found a means around it...

If you could please answer clearly why a connection attempt from my home connection is able to login, follows a 3/m connection limit, followed by 1-15 minute dos.

Yet, if I use a proxy this limit and dos does not apply.

Why is that the case?

Why can I repeatedly test this?

Why after posting this entry and raising it has my connection become more stable?

I smell fish and it is not what I'm cooking for dinner.

Another IT pro could have targeted you with a DoS attack it need not be the admin team. Your ISP could be dropping your connections that's happened in areas where the service doesn't meet demand. If you're in Alberta Canada as your profile says I imagine that the "pipe" gets kind of small up there. If you're getting unfairly censored you know the solution go elsewhere and set up dummy accounts here to aide in posting your "important" work across as many sites as you feel is necessary. I agree with Steve if you violated the ToS or the "One Love" policy to the extent that the admin felt they had the right/responsibility to censor you it stands to reason that they'd tell you you've been censored and to stop doing things that cause them extra work or your account would have been deleted. A secret censorship campaign where parts of your blogs and select comments are edited or deleted sounds more like someone has cracked your personal security and is having a field day with your account and even more like anomalies that have nothing to do with anything but bad timing, congested networks & a possibly more than a healthy does of paranoia.

the one thing to reember above all of this isthis site is not governed by any "rights" or "freedoms" it is owned by one man who sets the rules ashe pleases and hasa staff of people to carry them out. If you do something to whichthey dont like it will be deleted and at some point so will your account. its that simple. e have NO rights here, we exist @ thoughts only at the whim of the owner

I get the concept of owning a site,
I also get the concept of attracting users,

I do not agree with creating problems for the undesirables.
I do not agree with censoring people on the basis of belief.

All I have to say is that there are more important problems in the world to worry about than some minescule website censoring you. If you want to be heard get a loud speaker. If you want your writing to be read get published. If you want to blog, well shut up and blog about something meaningful.

All good information.

As I see it, the main entry of this blog was/is meaningful in the sense of getting the message out.

I am not worrying so much about this site, I just do not like the falsehood of creating an "open place" for sharing of thoughts. Where some thoughts are taboo, and those that partake in such thoughts are equally taboo.

Its garbage, and I would rather my awareness of said issues be voiced in the place where they lay.

As for bigger problems in the world, I am well aware.

I dont think they should block you. If they are at all.

In the end a guy owns this place on the net. He has people watching it for him. His dream is most likely this site being as popular as Facebook. He has a vision on how he wants to get there. If you are not part of that vision than you are in its way. You know what happens when a little bee meets a big truck going down the road right? In the end we are all a bunch of bees flying around on-line. If we get in the way of trafic. Bang! You sting doesnt matter much at that point. Your just gone.

Again I dont think they should block you. Just wish you would do what most people with self respect would do when in the middle of a group of people that dont want him around. Leave.

You have become someone fun to watch though for me. Your very witty, argumentative and funny at times.

Keep up the sad fight. Its fun to watch in a sick, twisted way.

This site will never be anything like facebook...

This site's potential to compete is limited by its overly christian presence, along side with its blatant disregard for free speech, and limited tolerance of others with differing views.

As for your bee analogy, well last time I checked I'm a human. No different then those that run this site.

If they delete me with really no reason...I have copies of all my work, I can just port over relevant materials else where.

I do not fight to just fight, I figure this is a public site, and I have just as much right to use it as any other.

I completely disagree with censorship. I do find one thing puzzling. Why would thoughts.com wish to exercise censorship in such a roundabout fashion? Why not simply delete your account? Curious.

I am unsure of the reasoning...

It just seems quite fishy, as I said...I setup tor and privoxy, if they block me, I get on tor and then I'm in.

It is possible the connection issues could be related to the site upgrades, it just from my experiences seems intentional.

I login, I start blogging / commenting. Within any close succession of activity on the site, my connection breaks. At which time I can neither connect via my browser. Or ping the domain thoughts.com.

This lasts about 5-15 minutes.

I just log onto tor, or use some anonymous proxy on the web. The site shows up and can be logged into.

Well at the same time refusing my local connection.

As I said a few times in this particular blog entry, something seems fishy. Perhaps it is just a coincidence, it was never really an issue until I called the publicist on the censorship and egged her on a little.

Hi :) We do our best to limit any sort of censorship within Thoughts.com. We encourage people to discuss topics openly. With that said we do have terms that are agreed upon signing up for the site. If the terms are broken content will be removed. If there is a temporary block on a person's account it is usually done to serve as a warning for breaking policy. We try to only delete an account as a last case senario. Every situation is looked at objectively.

Also we are still currently in the Beta mode of Thoughts.com . If you notice any glitches please feel free to report them by sending us a message through the Contact form and we will do our best to resolve the issue.

:)

hahahahaha. thats too funny. thats a regular "Thank you for calling AT&T my name is Vishnu, how is your problem?"

classic. but in my honest opinion that statement was [CENSORED!!!!!!!!!!]

Politically correct usually means lying with a smile.

Watch the news...you see it clearly, and consistently.

if thoughts were even remotely bothered about the tripe you have posted and discussed here they would have deleted this post, does that not tell you something mister IT profesional.
i i owned thoughts your whole account would have been banished to cyberspace a long time ago, but as i don't own the site then that is not my right.
just get over it and move on this nonsense has just gone way too far now.
regards fraglerock

Just a point of logic but is not deletion 'last case' by default?

I too have found that my connection terminates much earlier than it used to when I 1st signed up but, I noticed it started about the time the Host server fell down, I know it fell down and I wasn't blocked because I have 3 different IP addresses (not internal sub nets) from 2 providers one with which I had never connected and all were unable to establish a connection.
I figure the server was reset with new connections protocols which timed out faster, It's very annoying as I spend a fair amount of time on my comments to include researching in other windows so to find that I have to write in offline editors and paste in is irksome and when I lose a comment because I didn't do it in an offline editor is depressing as I try to put effort not just wit into most of my offerings blog or comment. Sadly I find it hard to reproduce my original comment when it's lost and usually post something hastily written and much less literate... the common casualties of haste. Also having to re-log makes it difficult to return to the page being commented upon. Some of us have time constraints and or blog never gets enough time in our opinion so to waste the precious little time we have is simply rude.

That said I've enjoyed Thoughts... for the most part and who can expect more reasonably. I've only been censored a couple times and one seemed to be a glitch as it displayed as censored on one of my computers but not the other. It's a very sad comment on humanity that censored blogs enjoy a very high readership when compared with uncensored content with identical sentiment.

To Allan sadly if your stuff is getting filter censored you simply have to cut the seven deadly words and their close companions from your posts or get used to it. (This is the legitimate instance)

Other bloggers can censor your work if they find it objectionable in general content above and beyond vocabulary think Jerry Falwell V e.e. cummings and falwell is in the library with a flame thrower and noone has a fire extinguisher. This analogy breaks down because the staff is supposed to review peer censorship for validity and depending on backlog may require it being brought to their attention. I received prompt reply on my inquiry as well as satisfaction. It seems that an inhibitor may be required for new accounts and abusive censors to mitigate the hardships caused by activism in the community.

If your material has been edited for content or an eMail to a "Friend" has been censored for anything but language (as the language filter is systemic not voluntary nor are you able to set the language filter settings for your "Friends"), that is a travesty, unethical, disrespectful, and contrary to my understanding of the ToS agreement. I hope this is not the fact of your situation as it'd cause me to search for new lodgings for my account as well. This last is meant for Allan as well but, I hope the Admin pay careful attention to the sentiment if they've been unethical and if not they certainly now know where the line lays.

For a guy that writes so many words what is it your actually trying to say?

lol

thought so...

in short censorship sux

in short censorship sux

christ you couldn't have said that in the begining? haha

As you mentioned earlier, this is not the only blog in cyberspace. There are literally thousands of them. Sites that allow total and complete expression to it's users. I myself have been "attacked" by thoughts via their comments and email in the past and have had 2 personal friends deleted and denied access to this site. Personally I rarely post a blog here anymore. In fact since a few of my favorite bloggers have ceased to write here anymore, I rarely sign on myself. It's a decent blogsite and the layout is nice but the "click" and those in it make this site a not so desirable place to visit on a regular basis.

I completely agree.

I think that the answer to all of this is simple. Follow the rules, and no one gets their feelings or pride hurt. When you join a site, you agree to the rules and when you break those rules, you get punished. That's life. So I'd just relax, make sure I'm going by the rules and adjust my blogs accordingly. This has gone really far and it doesn't quite make sense why it's such a big deal. All that's being done is making a big deal about nothing. I agree with fraglerock, if they really cared about content on the site, this probably would have been deleted since it's saying negative things about the site. Although, just in case we're all wrong and the site DOES discriminate, I believe I'll save my blogs from now on just as a precaution. Honestly, though, I don't think there's too much of a discriminant factor going on here. Just feelings getting bruised and people trying to bruise feelings back. So just relax, obey the rules, and everything should be fine...

Best of luck,
thecreativecatlady

If following the rules made things better, please explain why the people who partake in horrible acts are made accountable for rules they followed.

Where as the people that made the rules are never brought to justice.

If you want freedom, you must understand what freedom is.

Have a great day.

this isn't the world at large this is a "club" a club you joined when you agreed to the ToS and it's rules. You can do as the American Founders did with the "Club" of the English Empire and elect to dropout but you need not be so dramatic as no one in this club is intent on your staying against your will. Most of us have "MySpace", "FACEBOOK" & "Twitter" accounts as well as this one, some of us don't want to be on "FACEBOOK" we prefer a smaller more participatory audience. I personally think you are responding to an anomaly as if it were a plan, I think you spent too much time writing your comment or blog entry and the site timed out and the "sock monster" & "spaghetti monster" ate your opinion. I've had similar losses but, instead of asserting that the admin team has some diabolical plan to frustrate me I looked at it logically and decided I was timing out. These time outs I then tracked and found that they occur during the period 9am-5pm EST Mon-Fri and not much otherwise as the site is hosted and not riding on their own server I suspect that it's an issue with host connections. I have a little degree in IT I never used. Again simply said I think you're being paranoid or delusional. I hope it's just paranoid. I wrote a blog urging any one who read it to back up their work before hitting the submit key, in response to the loss of a few of my comments & a blog submission. People upon whose blogs you comment also have the right to delete your comments, I've had a couple of mine deleted by those who'd rather edit than argue but, it's their blog & their right. I really think you're picking a fight with the admin team over something they had nothing to do with. Once I clicked the remember me box on login I've not been disconnected except when I logged in on another connection, (I don't like the remember me box but, it works.)

QQ more ya fucking nooblet.

ok.

Thanks for the advice.

did you know what your writing is actually nearly quoted word for word on this link.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=QQ

Have a great day.

it would appear mister strange that you are not the only blogger being censored on thoughts. perish the thought.