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Bible Study: Consequences of Fulfilling Lust on 2008-04-16 16:35:58 |
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Good blible study! By the way. Who is flagging Christian blogs as inapropriate in here?
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Political Ignorance on 2008-04-08 16:41:40 |
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Maybe whomever backs the fed reserve getting more power is the one will get it. I noticed Obama came up with a plan to give the fed more power, a few days later the treasury and few others had similar plan to bail out the economy by giving fed reserve more power. Obviously, looking back at 1933 crisis mgt creation of them and all gold confiscated etc. Some say they are staffed by secret groups etc.
Both candidates (Democratic)like the last race(Republican) have some sort of ties to secret groups from what I heard. So pray for America. The last 30 years of the 20th century wasn't too bad, but I hope they were'nt the good ol days....
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So will Christians go through the Tribulation? on 2008-04-08 16:20:35 |
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Thanks for your reply. I Think that the scriptures outline absolute truth and there are some that may appear to be grey to those that need further growth and spiritual sanctification to understand them. All I know is from what I study and the tools that were given to me. I certianly do not doubt them.
I don't consider people whom don't know the full truth bad and speak from being taught Oral tradition, but if it isn't in line with basic doctrine it is false.
I pray for them hoping they will come to the understanding that was given to me. If They don't then, it's between them and Jesus.
I agree as long as a person is getting other's saved in the blood of Jesus, through repentance of sins, belief in his death burial and ressurection and Holy Spirit indwelling, we dont have any issues. Love is the key in any life before Christ.
Today's Christianity is full of false conversions whom are ripe for the anti-christ. They are really weak in their faith and knowledge of the word of God.
I am for sure that the times will tell it all whom is correct in pre-mid and post.
Again, thank you so much for your thoughts and encouragement in these end days.
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So will Christians go through the Tribulation? on 2008-04-06 12:04:31 |
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Appreciate the pre-trib/ post trib dialouge. I see many of your points and agree whole hardly with many of them. I think it's just how we both place the events and the differance in level's of study.
This is a basic conversation compared to people I have conversed wih whom have Christ Kingdom now beliefs take over the world , Global Anti-Christ religions, Social Science Greek Theology, and Peace now "we are the world" false Christianity. All have Oral Torah outside of the word of God. Their beliefs are peppered with Serpant Garden theology-" Has God said"? Answer: Amen, He has for eternity!
No I am not above anyone. LOL We all have to grow in sanctification and understanding. It's just plain study and lining things up. If this discussion leads to you studying harder your Torah-(God's instructions) and a deeper relationship with YAHUSHUA(Jesus) then Halleu"YAH". iron sharpens iron-Proverbs
I think many people have outsourced their understanding to Western American New Age tradition and are stuck there. When they encounter these teachings,their like wha? If you really sit down and study from a strictly biblical hermeritical understanding with Strongs concordance, Hebrew anthropological findings and other tools to look up words used, you'll find "no" two 2nd commings. Again if you have time check (Dr Gavin Finely)
If you look up my other posts on endtime, you'll see basic scriptures that clearly make the case outside of any Oral tradition.
I agree with what you say about God's Holy wrath."Whew". However, pre to those times of His wrath will be suffering of some time " perhaps this is where many hold the view of (Mid)trib also. So all we need is one of those guys or gals preaching in here too. LOL. smile.
Nobody likeS suffering, but the Persecuted church today is surely living that maryterdom early Christianity. How great will their glory be when they stand and reign with Christ. Bless their example to the comfortable western church.
I think that this internet may be the last outlet for the Besorah (Gospel) of Christ. Outside of Ham radio etc.
I thank YAH(God) everyday that He gave me the oppurtunity to know His Son and the saving name of His Son-Jesus-(Lateinized Greek)-YAHSHUA +YESHUA (Hebrew). The more we grow in ourstanding of Him, the more we can overcome anything.
I meet so many hard hearts in many sects of religion whom claim beleif in God, but when you have dialogue they claim they can save themselves or His atonement is not Kosher enough.
All I know is, It's more than enough for me. I live and speak from that perspective. (Jesus's Christatonement and ressurection)
1. What is your view of the millineum world or reign of Christ? I read George Otis Sr.'s book and I thought it was pretty good foresight.
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So will Christians go through the Tribulation? on 2008-04-04 13:43:02 |
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Thanks for respect. I run into many agressively disrepectful people online. Someone flagged all my post as if it was obscene. I think this was off base and weird. I know people that worship the earth and devils and their stuff isn't flagged. Whew!
I think we can clarify our thoughts, not argue. I'd like to get out of here too like you, but the weight of what I studied shows different.
I been in this endtime thing a long time and disagee with your view and think is just wishful thinking by John Darby, a young girl and two Catholic theologions in the 1700-1800's and modern pop Christianity. Many of the early Catholic and Protestant theologians did not teach pre-trib rapture based on what I studied.
Your right the tribulation(suffering) is not intended to punish believers but we know many Christians will die like the early church did. Notice later the real wrath is poured out. God is not going to let the advesary have a nice day down here ruling his planet and masquerading ...etc.
Read the trumpets and seals in revelations. What takes place between them.
Rev 7 shows alot more than just 144,000 being sealed. There is also chapter 14 and what is called insets or falshbacks to events going on about Israel, the Tribulation(suffering) of the saints by the dragon (just like the early church) and infers some protected in hiding. It does not say anywhere I read the church was raptured. (except Modern American Oral tradition of scripture) There are those under the throne of God whom were martyred in heavan. Many people in the modern age have outsourced their studies to people instead of studying it themselves and lining it up. I will take no ones word on what something means, especially if it's this serious.
As you told me, I return this also, I suggest you dive into the topic not based the view that your Oral tradition is right all the time. I understand your point of view. Been there. You use Proofteting of scriptures to reason Pre-trib, not contextual reading and correlation. Matthew 24 is in Chronological order as well as other Gospel Hints to that period of time in Revelation. You have to also use OT prophecies and anthropological understanding also to correlate the events.
Last chance redemption does not infer a pre-trib rapture as far as I see. Salvation as a gift does not correlate with the test and trials of life for a specific period of time God has ordained. I'm sure the Christians in the early church did not use that argument or the ones being martyred to day. Faith without works is dead. The theif acknowledged Christ in faith, others had to endure. So we don't chose our life in Christ, Jesus does.
If the great falling away is to happen, How many Christians will die for Jesus right now...if people find out they have to endure the times, what will they turn too....
Dr Gavin Finley does an expert write up on the subject using alot more scriptures than me. You can look it up if you want.
I appreciate your honesty. I don't find that much anymore in Christianity. I also appreciate the dialogue and respect your thoughts.
Because of the times we live in, We have to pray for one another. If your view is right, I'll gladly see you in the air and we'll take seat looking down, if your wrong, then please study it out for yourself and warn others.
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So will Christians go through the Tribulation? on 2008-04-03 14:16:14 |
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It is already late in "the days" to argue any endtime points. No use in it. There is "no theories" in scripture. What will happen, will happen based His words; not ours. We simply just don't agree. You have your view and I have mine.
If your view is right you have nothing to lose. On the other hand, If your view wrong, I just hope you are prepared and stregthen yourself in the Holy Spirit beyond mere words of endtime speculation.
This is serious business that is ahead of all of us. Everyone must study to understand and be prepared. If you don't beleive my view. You just don't. I respect that. Many blessings.
The scriptures noted above are meant to encourage Christians to stand firm through those days ahead. Many Blessings.
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