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For once, I was offended
First of all, let me start off by saying that I have skin of steel.  Not just regular steel, but im talking military grade, tempered steel....no joke.  It takes a lot to offend me, but low and behold, someone did.  Let me also start out by stating that I make jokes a lot, and 99% of these jokes make fun of someone's something.  Whatever that something may be, I only mean it in jest and in truth, have no deep rooted prejudices.  With my insult shields running at full power, because I don't half ass things, I was talking to a friend of mine that for the sake of this blog we'll call Florence Annie-May Sassafrass Butterworth... hm... that might not work so well as a substitute name.... I think I'll her Emily. Truth be told I always told myself that when I finally got to type one of those "The names have been changed to protect the identities of the involved parties" things I would use the name Stan, but upon further reflection that would just cause confusion.

Stan...er... Emily made this statement to me: "I won't date someone who is not a Christian."

I figured hey, ok in my book, I won't date someone with 3 arms or no teeth.  Then I started thinking, and the more I thought the more pissed off I got.  Doesn't Christianity teach love, peace, and tolerance? Or does that only apply to other Christians?  Let me point out at this delighful point in my story that I am a confirmed Catholic, even though I really don't practice, so I can see both sides pretty clearly here.  When this issue boils down, it isn't even about religion--it's about tolerance of others.  If you say you don't like to date short people, or tall people, or fat people, that isn't because you think you're better than them, that simply means that you are different.  When you make a general statement that you won't date ANYONE who isn't Christian that is simply prejudice.  It is as if all those that are not Christian are beneath you in some way.  Emily is a good person but it amazes me how blind she is to her own hypocracy.  How can you preach for the fair treatment of others and the environment but not take that same advice in your own life?  How can you sit on this thrown of holiness and vehemently proclaim that because someone isn't the same religion as you that they are inferior?  I understand that preferring to date a Christian might be something you coud think or feel, but saying that you absolutely won't date someone who isn't is no different than saying you won't date a black person--and we all know how wrong that is.

Ok, so maybe she used a poor choice of words.  Maybe this isn't what she meant, but it sure as hell sounds to me like that is what she was saying, especially in the context it was used.  I know what you're thinking... "hey this guy must have got rejected and now he's pissed."  So I'm going to carefully point out that 1. I am not interested in Emily and 2. I made no advance, nor was rejected in any way. It just sickens and disgusts me that someone who so wholely believes in "God's Love" can be so hypocritical and so prejudice.
Posted by TheJuice1210 on 2007-12-11 06:56:00 | Rating: | Views: 584


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Posted by
Wayne
on 2007-12-11 07:15:00
 
Good post...
 
 

Posted by
joanne1948
on 2007-12-11 07:36:25
 
I once read that the "lowest form of humor is at the expense of someone else".
 
 

Posted by
TheJuice1210
on 2007-12-11 08:43:00
 
I'm thinking joanne is missing the point...
 
 

Posted by
picasorock
on 2007-12-11 09:04:57
 
Maybe the comment bothered you because you don't consider yourself christian anymore and therefore can't be with this "friend" of yours, who perhaps you actually REALLY want to be with?

Further, I actually understand where she is comming from, and if you believe the Bible, it even says, "Don't be unequally yolked." There is good reason for that also. The fact that you got so emotional about the topic proves her point.

If you can't agree on something people are willing to give their lives up for...How can you possible function as one?
 
 

Posted by
TheJuice1210
on 2007-12-11 09:13:37
 
Apparently people are missing my point. This has nothing to do with being with my "friend" as you put it.... I spoke with her about an hour ago. This is simply about an ideal.

My point of contest that looking down on someone for their religion, or lack there of is no better than racism, which I'm sure we can all agree is wrong. It all boils down to it being unethical to place something beneath yourself simply because it is different.
 
 

Posted by
picasorock
on 2007-12-11 09:21:34
 
If your point is about "looking down on people for religion" I agree...but, I honestly can't fathom how that is construed from someone's lack of interest in forming an intimate relationship with someone who has such a strong difference of beliefs.

Do you think it would be easy to be with someone who did not believe similar things as you? Don't you think it would cause a lot of fights?
 
 

Posted by
Lost2thought
on 2007-12-11 09:23:40
 
i definitly agree with you.i feel that most (NOT ALL) "religious" people are the biggest hypocrates of all.thankx for voicing this.
 
 

Posted by
TheJuice1210
on 2007-12-11 09:25:25
 
I know many many many couples that are happily married from different religions. My best friends mother is Jewish and Father is Catholic. Sure there may be fights among people whose religions differ, but on the whole I don't think that is why she said that. She also isn't talking about polar opposites, but simply ANYONE who isn't a Christian.
 
 

Posted by
picasorock
on 2007-12-11 09:30:04
 
If that is what she is saying than I entirely agree with you. I'm actually in a relationship where we have some differences of opinion on religion, but in a whole we agree that God is real and that Jesus is God.

I think that's where there can be problems. If you strongly believe in something like for instance that Jesus is God and maybe you feel that it's a sin to worship any other god, and then this person you're with believes in worshiping Osiris or something....That's a problem.

Ok, if she doesn't want to give a guy the time of day because he's not a christian and not willing to open her mind and find out what exactly he believes...yeah...wrong. Maybe that guy believes the same thing she does but calls it something different.

You're right if that's what she meant.
 
 

Posted by
TheJuice1210
on 2007-12-11 09:39:40
 
yea thats all I was really trying to say. You have some valid points if she meant otherwise, but I'm positive this is the context she meant it in.
 
 

Posted by
picasorock
on 2007-12-11 09:52:49
 
That was a fantastic debate...thanks. I enjoyed it!
 
 

Posted by
shannatucker
on 2007-12-11 09:59:55
 
It's people who have that closeminded christianity thing going on that ruin it for the rest of us who do practice loving everyone! I gotcha.
 
 

Posted by
bLackpurpLe
on 2007-12-11 10:30:27
 
'i wont date someone who is not Christian.'

what if the one she really love is not a christian and ask her on a date , will she really reject it?

uh. i think its stupidity.
 
 

Posted by
TheJuice1210
on 2007-12-11 11:29:39
 
picasorock, i wholeheartedly agree.
 
 

Posted by
joanne1948
on 2007-12-11 13:48:47
 
"Let me also start out by stating that I make jokes a lot, and 99% of these jokes make fun of someone's something." My comment was only responded to this sentence. I reread and see your point. Your blog post has encouraged a lot of conversation, which is the main point, right?
 
 

Posted by
CrzdBnny28
on 2007-12-11 15:59:00
 
Interesting and worthwhile to read. :D Check out my blog sometime.
 
 

Posted by
Focused_Dreamer
on 2007-12-11 20:05:56
 
You know- your post reminded me of a conversation I had with someone yesterday- she met her boyfriend through an online post on a web-forum and he told her later "If you had said anything about being a Christian, I wouldn't even have spoken to you." Kind of the opposite of your scenario and yet it pissed me off all the same. I don't care what religion someone is- or if they even have one...found it extremely sad that someone would write someone off entirely based solely on that one single thing.
 
 

Posted by
Whitters
on 2007-12-12 06:34:32
 
I loved this post. You are so dead on it's not even funny. All to often we hear about what religion someone is and why they practice that religion. It makes me wonder if they feel that their religion is the only "right" religion.
I can see what her comment bothered you.
 
 

Posted by
thehughman1
on 2007-12-14 03:54:32
 
Christianity also teaches acceptance...and that one is not Christian outwardly...but inwardly. Had this young lady gotten to know you better, she may have found in you more Christian qualities than she wore...on her sleeve. Even if you were unable to acknowlede these qualities as being Christian in yourself A tree is not known by its name...but by the fruit it bears. Far too many who call themselves Christian do not exhibit the qualities necessary that entitles them to that name. They do things...invoking God's name...but never understand that the Hebrew meaning for "name" is "Character". Do they do their things in God's "character?" many times not!!!
God so the the world...and that's all of us and especially the sinner who knew he was a sinner and only desired forgiveness for his/her shortcomings. He accepted all who felt this way.
 
 

Posted by
throughmyeyes
on 2007-12-14 23:06:06
 
In general, there are characteristics (race, age, height, weight, etc.) that really don't measure a person's inward character...they are external indicators and have absolutely nothing to do with their character...therefore when someone states as a blanket they don't date _______ (fill in the blank) it is prejudicial and frankly their loss...however, my personal belief is different when it comes to religion.

Religion, well I prefer the term faith actually because it's more of an action word, so faith is a highly internal indicator. It is a life commitment, it absolutely should define everything one does in life as it gives meaning to life and orients life. I hope I am making sense...therefore, I believe if I am truly living out my faith, it would be very hard to share the most intimate of relationships with someone who does not share my faith. This has nothing to do with loving or liking a person, but it does have everything to do with making a commitment to someone who doesn't share the MOST integral part of one's life. Moreover, the context of marriage is almost always with children who come along and I also imagine it very difficult to raise children when mom and dad share different viewpoints.

Now, I am by no means saying families can't work this way, I'm sure they do. But I personally would be like Emily and would say that someone who shares my faith in Christ is the number 1 thing I look for in a person (along with many other important things like respect for women, humility, etc.). I think we're so scared of taking a stance on things, on having personal beliefs and values, because we are in a time period where everything should be "relative" so as not to "offend" people. Well, being relative IS a stance, and it's a stance that I don't necessarily subscribe to. I get that many Christians don't always show Christ's love, precisely showing WHY Christ had to die for our many many shortcomings...but I'm sure not preaching about Christ's love as if to say I'm perfect.

Anyway, I hope this made sense and it wasn't meant to offend in any way...but I do think there are many Christians who believe there is much risk and damage that can be done in marriages between two people who share different religions.
 
 

Posted by
TheJuice1210
on 2007-12-17 02:11:31
 
I wanna make something clear that I think people are missing.... I WAS NOT ATTEMPTING TO BE INVOLVED WITH THIS GIRL. We were simply having a discussion about dating in general.



I'm in too irritated of a mood at the moment to respond to that last comment by throughmyeyes... I'd probably say something mean.
 
 

Posted by
picasorock
on 2007-12-20 23:24:42
 
TheJuice1210 you seem like a nice guy...I know you keep saying you weren't attempting to get involved with this girl...But, do you think it's possible subconsciously you were "feeling her out?"
 
 

Posted by
idreamt_iwas
on 2008-01-10 06:28:49
 
Now Ive confused myself. I think I sort of agree with you.. and I think I kinda dont..

I want to say that maybe she just used poor word choice and made a blanketed statement..

But at the same time - theres more probing questions.. Would she never consider anyone outside of Christianity? (Or is it only a priority thing, like somewhere on her list of ideals) Why does she only want someone who is Christian? (Are Christians better, or does she feel she will have more in common with them..)..

Do you see how I feel like theres something missing and incomplete here...
 
 


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