I think Pornography is completely normal. Like movies, it can be used as a learning tool or simply a form of entertainment. I tend to think people who are embarrassed by Pornography or hide it or say it's disgusting are just people who only reflect the shame and denial of their own sexuality. Sex is just a natural part of life. Whether we do it in privacy of our own homes or put it on film for all to see are just forms of how open we are with it. Anyway, that's what I think about Porn.

good enough I can't wait to see what people post this should be interesting.
Thanks for keeping your comment cleaner than my music choices.

lol No problem! It is a great selection of music by the way.

it was to easy to pick LoL I've spent a few dollars in the bars where they're popular. AND Bolero was just too perfect with the Rubens.

everything that i ok for some people is normal i think. if somebody likes watching porno than porno is ok. of course, there is also a moral question of this problem... this is a stick of 2 ends.

I know a lesbian couple that are very fond of their stick with 2 ends.

hmmm - every time i hear porn i always think of two girl one cup... LOL
thank goodness I've never seen it -
I'm against porn for myself - I don't find it sexy at all - i used to watch it for the comedic value - I like real experiences.
I think porn also gives men the wrong impression as to what women can do and are willing to do...

Also the story lines SUCK!

EEEEWWW I've seen it, be glad you haven't. Curiosity killed the cat is true sometimes!! Ha Ha

ha ha - everyone says that - it just makes me more interested now LOL!

YUCK, I hope I never meet anyone who thinks of 2G1Cup as real porn vs a way to gross out someone who still hasn't seen it. Search 2 girls 1 cyst no porn yet every bit as gross.

I agree with you on that it gives the wrong impression to men about what women can do (and willing). My ex would watch a porn then try to act out the scene, kind of funny, I looked at him and asked what the hell he was doing, cause thats NOT close to what I like. I was not involved with watching-his choice- but I guess he thought he was learning some cool new things. But unfortunately, it does not work that way. I believe the only way to find out what your partner likes or is willing to try is by TALKING to them. If it leads to watching some porn together to get some ideas then great!

exactly - i do yoga and I can only bend that far - it makes women seem cheap also alot of guys watch porn and forget about the romance aspect that's a very important part of sexual relationships...

also I Munky now im really grossed out :(
2girls 1 cyst ewwwwwwwwww

don't blame me blame Tosh.O that sick bastard showed parts on his show and it was like a train wreck, as ashamed as I was I had to see more.

There are a ton of guys out there who can't really express what they'd like without "visual aides".
The Taoist 'pillow books' were "porn", it was a custom for the woman to lay out scrolls depicting what her man should do that evening. So my best advice is if you want your man to talk to you about his... interests, you should probably start the conversation. BUT don't ask questions you don't want answers to, so you might want to phrase it, "aside from butt love what fantasies do you have honey?" or to illustrate you particular boundaries.

That made me laugh a little. And you are right. I do agree that men are soo much more visuals and women should realize it more. Not that I like it all the time, but that is one way that we are different. My husband and I are able to talk about what we like, or at least what I like, but I just tell him what I want him to do when we're in the act. And that seems to work very well for us because he enjoys that. Otherwise he may forget the conversation we had. lol.

I think its OK if its is a shared thing in a relationship, if both people are into it and enjoy it together or are OK with the other person enjoying it alone. The problem comes in when one person is not OK with it and the other person continues to partake anyway. I can understand the negative images and pressures it puts on women though and I can see why most women don't like it. Personally I don't mind it but I can live without it.

That's my feeling about it in relationships.

Munky,

Porn has no redeeming social value that I know of, with the possible exception of being used as a stimulant to sperm donors. It has been linked to sexual crimes in many cases, such as rape, child molestation, and even some murders that involve sex as a seperate crime, or as a motivation.

As some already pointed out, it may be harmful to a relationship, because it may create unrealistic expectations. It is a movie! You wouldn't have the same "real" expectations from an action movie, or a comedy, so why have "real" expectations from porn ...

I don't perceive porn to have any artistic value whatsoever, although I do think nude photography can possibly have an artistic value, but it very much depends on the artist (photographer); i would venture to say that Hustler magazine offers little or no artistic value and can easily be labeled as "smut".

Porn is entertainment; but when I say that, please keep in mind all the things that encompass and define "entertainment", before you get the impression that I am defending smut. The word "entertainment" sometimes makes people think of a Walt Disney film, which it is, but that same rope also swings very far in the other direction.

There is a famous quote by the prosecutor in what became a Supreme Court case where the difficulty in the case was defining what "pornography" is; the prosecutor said, "You'll know it when you see it". Sorry I don't recall the exact case or the attorney's name that made that comment.

I seriously doubt that the actors in porn movies conduct themselves in the bedroom the way they do in front of the camera, of course I may be wrong, I have never dated a porn star. As for people who view porn ... well I think it is up to them whether they choose to watch it; I don't think that the porn movies do anything more than the viewer hasn't already thought of.

Porn is an ongoing debate that involves: the rights of people to watch it, the rights of film-makers to produce it, what rights the government might have to regulate it; and it is also involves morality, which is entirely subjective, and cannot possibly be regulated effectively, and is not condoned by most religious organizations.

My suggestion to people who enjoy porn is: "Go find a compatable sexual partner".

My suggestion to people who defend porn is: "Go rent Debbie Does Dallas for a date night with your girlfriend, and tell her how you really wanted to watch it while you have sex with her and think about other women" and I can assure you that within seconds you will discover the adverse effects of pornography; or, tell your girlfriend how you want her to star in a porn movie, and get fucked by numerous men at the same time, and see how she reacts to that suggestion.

You have probably heard all this before ...

- Thom

good stuff Thom,

I like the open mindedness that you show by accepting that it may offer some use in the fertility trade,
I can certainly see some erotic art as art but, Flint's not really about publishing art. I see some porn as training tapes and others are for all their effort little better than bad comedy. But back to the training tape aspect if a couple pops in a tape and uses it as a tool of discovery "Hey baby what do you think about trying that?"... "Well that depends on how, YOU feel about this next thing here." that seems to me to be a very valid use since some positions or acts are hard to explain or request without visual aides.

answered this already, even blogged about it. cant buleve she dun took that bloggy blog down- wtfunk?

My suggestion to people who enjoy porn is: "Go find a compatable sexual partner".
- so basically, you can't get off unless theirs a warm body around? hmmm...i wonder how much more killing, raping there would be if there werent porno to sedate most guys. and studys have found for/against the harmful/noharm effects of porno.

My suggestion to people who defend porn is: "Go rent Debbie Does Dallas for a date night with your girlfriend, and tell her how you really wanted to watch
-not debbie, but others i've watched with chicks, and they liked it. you obviously aint dating the right women.

and also....obviously the women in porn are real, hence, obviously these people like and wanna do this stuff, so how exactly is it that 'porn isn't real?'

wankers.

It really begged for a repost & offered me an opportunity to stray from my normal posts.

I say yes those who enjoy porn should find a compatible mate, why share time with someone who doesn't enjoy your interests.

I agree with you it's likely that for every crime porn has instigated it may have assuaged another's criminal lust.

My ex- would take me to strip clubs... I think she enjoyed them more than me & that's not easy. And that had nothing to do with our separation, it was the prospect of ruining her figure with child birth; I was ok with it and she thought it was insane.

I've seen a couple porn starlets in the flesh & they rarely resemble their video persona, and let's face it the vast majority of porns are male fantasy exploration & since they show only the one side they do lack some realism (I think that's just the capitalist aspect of entertainment, they make what sells) but, there's a new genera of female centric straight porn sort of a FUBU movement.

If you assume that the purpose of porn is arousal.. and i think that's true for all but a tiny portion of truly artistic efforts.. is such arousal a bad thing? not necessarily. it may offer someone a controlled release instead of a forcibly violent one. it can aid older people who need help becoming aroused to a level necessary (i owned a used bookstore.. a lot of the sales of steamy romamces were to older married men.. "for their wives..") it can give very lonely people at least a fantasy sexlife..
but: it can lead to addiction; can be subsituted for real but less stimulating love..can trigger a violent physical response instead of controlled release. it allows the flow of large amounts of illicit money.. it is degrading and often deadly to the makers..drugs and alchohol are rampant. over all I find the score to be negative. I think it needs to be difficult to obtain, but not impossible.. but controlled as to working conditions.. and yes, I know that's pie in the sky..and I think the level of sex in just mainstream movies is enough to serve several of the purposes I mentioned above without hardcore and its problems.. is it moral? morality is a human definition.. it is shifting sand. does it contribute to the greater welfare? again, more no than yes. Does it help us learn to love? this is my greatest problem with it.. it promotes loveless sex.. and I don't believe that is a good thing.. rambled all over, but..

My 83 year old granny still reads them. I agree that hardcore porn has nothing to do with love but, there are other genres that are more sensual and focus on a single couple billed as marital aides and even sold by marriage counselors. Personally I think most of our programming on how to love is done by the age of 13 and almost fully accomplished by our parents or guardians. Our public masks are built through our friends but love is learned from the moment we open our eyes, it being a pairing instinct that drives us we naturally tend to emulate the relationship of our parents, to wit taking girls/ladies home to meet my dad was a relationship ender for most. ROFL He's an acquired taste if you've acquired a hearing disorder he might be palatable (and I know I'm much more similar to him than I'm comfortable with). So anyone using porn to learn about love has a lot more issues than porn in my opinion.

there are "aids" that focus on couples but I have seen a lot of them and they are basically porn in disguise. when they deal with specfic physical problems.. I have seen excellent ones for handicapped couples... they're fine.. but most are just classy porn. used to be your theory was so..probably up to my era.. but with the rise of TV and Video parents play far less role.. unfortunately. as can be seen from the posts of teenagers here.. pretty much clueless but already trying to play the game.. they're trying to play level 5 with level 1 equipment..

I learned to be distant and argumentative from my parents and watched way too much TV found my step father's porn before I was 10 and still my relationships resemble my father's for the most part as frustrating as that is. I thin that we learn from our parents even when they do nothing.

Good points mostly Mike.
It's worth noting that since porn is a prescribed substance of sorts, in that it is regulated or banned it has fallen into the grasp of the unscrupulous for the sole purpose of making financial profit. That is the number 1 problem with porn. Stop oppressing it and give porn a new suit such as erotica, normalise it if you like, take away the stigma and then it would be a different set of arguments offered here.
Romantic fiction, can and often is, as erroneous a portrayal of the human condition as porn. It just doesn't have overt sexuality usually. But definitely as emotionally dangerous.
Nudity and an unencumbered view of the human body has no relation to porn. We all have bodies and they are only clothed because of climate not because they are naughty. Objective case, A group of people alive and thriving today who consider exposed female legs and arms as arousing but find naked female tits the norm. Ahhhh, sweet conditioning. Other groups find bonking as a normal a human activity as eating or pooing, go figure, they must be unhinged to miss an opportunity to screw around with other, lesser peoples heads and or lives.
Porn is banal. What I have seen from most western sources it's puerile and boring.
Art is art and can certainly discuss a subject as universal as sexuality.
Sexuality is as varied as the people on this little blue ball.
Erotica is stimulation of a facility. Plain and simple.
Normalise it and watch it's popularity diminish.
That will never happen while some humans pretend to power.

Porn is literal and visual candy for most men.
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Erotic romance is suggestive and emotive candy for most females.

They both plug directly into the way we tend to be wired to provide similar stimulation to both.

Porn creates about as unrealistic an expectation for men of women as, those books create for women of men.

They don't bend that way, that certainly doesn't do "it" for them & we don't own a horse, Fabio's body or armor and speak in flowery prose about heaving bosoms & fleshy serpents of love.

Yes.
The idea that I was more concerned about was that porn only exists as porn since sexuality has been hijacked and been made fodder for manipulations in endeavours over the ages to achieve acsession to power. More simply put, crowd control.

jeeez louise. look porn, i just like relgion, science and every other institution:

porn doesn't rape people. people rape people.

porn doesn't addict people. people look for addictions.

porn doesn't ruin relationships. PEOPLE ruin relationships.

it's not rocket scienc.e

You'd think but we built rockets long before we've managed to accept that simple reality; and some relationships are just doomed & it's no ones fault unless they simply should have known better.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't limit the access to these things.

I was just saying that porn can interfere with meaningful relationships. If you don't want meaning in your life that's okay. Knock yourself out. Yes, women can perpetuate this and exacerbate the problem by expecting more meaning than is realistically possible. But for me, the meaning comes from putting someone else's needs and desires before yours. If you are both invested in doing that, you gots a win-win as far as I'm concerned.

And I don't think the expectation that if you're gonna spread your legs for someone that they be present with you and not imagining you're some slutty blond from some porn flick is insecurity. I personally think it's self-respect.

So there's my blog-within-your-blog.

like wise if you intend to bend your back for a woman it'd be nice if she looked you in the eye and screamed your name as opposed to looking over your shoulder conjuring the cover of her latest erotica novel. BUT you're 45 balding with a belly that wasn't present at your wedding and you know that's too much to ask if you expect her to climax this century.

I'm simply saying that if a little smut turns your crank when, things aren't as hot as they once were, I see no harm as long as it doesn't interfere with the working and other nurturing aspects of your relationship and to some couples as you have admitted it's an invaluable tool both both parties.

Which LoL takes us to Gay Porn, hehe after all I guess both parties are already facing the same way.

Haven't read a smutty romance novel since eighth grade (don't ask) and I try like hell to stay in the moment when I'm there. Works for me.

Then again, I've never been accused of being normative.

BTW thanks for dropping in your tuppence worth, I was hoping you'd drop by & happily put your remark up on the wall.

Then your husband should consider himself fortunate.

Easy on the subject - for Adults: Puck

I found my 1st porno mag, a copy of 'OUI', when I was about 10, every day several girls under 16 have babies and 1/2 the men in the US over 40 admit to needing chemical help just to contemplate the act of sex. So come again about how this is just for adults? Every person here has joyfully obeyed the 1st rule concerning vulgarity and engaged in a rational discussion of value.

I know I'm a vastly inferior intellect, so please try using a few more words, what is it that you are getting at here Puck?