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The issue is that this argument between these two oppinions will go on for a very very long time.
I fully realize that to some aetheist and Darwinist the idea of someone believing in God seems stupid and primitive. There are many religions and many different "Gods" that go with them. But I believe there is only one God. What people do in his name is up to them,(terrorist) but there is but one. Jesus was a prophet that christianity was based upon, there may have been other prophet for other religions as well. But this does not mean God does not exist, mearly that each religion wants their own profit to follow so they can call that religion there own. Over the decades there have been many ideas aout God, multiple ones (Apollo, Zeus) Hindu one (Krishnew) and the like.
Just because humanity has been through a few ideas of what to worship, doesn't mean there is not a God. I think each religion has different rules because they were designed with a certain group of people in mind. And when people such as terrorist kill they do not do so for their religion, because most Islamic religions tech peace and passivness. I considered being a muslim becaus of Malcom X, until I heard the absolutley absurd origins of white people according to Elijah Muhhamed. (go look that up if you want some entertainment) I believe there is a God because energy cannot be deystroyed, so in my mind the energy, our spirit, the thing that animates the otherwise empty sac of blood, flesh and bone is returned to whence it came, the creator. Now this question will NOT be answered by any living person (even though I was truly embaressed by Kirk Camreons "Crocaduck" theory...Christ what was he thinking?)
I think we should giveup on trying to impress our ideas upon the other party for as I stated above (which I belive you may have misconstrued for me wishing death on aetheist) only when an individual dies will he or she know the truth, and then and only then will the question be answered to that individual. But hey...better safe than sorry. I'd rather cover my ass than be sorry when I die. |
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Posted by KeenanEnigmaMcCoy on 2007-12-14 21:11:17 | Rating: | Views: 195
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hi keenan!
i think that's alot clearer than before and it's big of you to come back and clarify...good for you!
:o)
cheers!
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Posted by badlydrawnstickman
on 2007-12-15 10:43:27
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Keenan, sorry, I got to tear this one apart too.
"I believe in God. It is only right for me to do so seeing as I grew up being taught that." If your parents taught you that 2+2=5, are they right?
"but they (science)can't tell you what makes us want to get up and move each day." I will tell you what gets about everyone up each day.... their daily responsibilities! Believe me, God don't wake me up nicely with a cup of Coffee!
"That is our spirit, and that is not an evolution. I'm sure a scientist would have some excuse for why this happens because a lot of scientist have God complex's." Sure, it has a name, it is called ESP. Tested and proven, so it can't be a theory!
"No man can say what happens after death becuase no man has ever come back to say. Except Jesus, and he did say." Again, It is your faith that leads you to believe that Jesus really did die and "come back to life" or that he even existed
"It's easy not to belive in God, because then you don't have to worry about one day being held accountable for your actions." If you believe that, then why are our prisons and jails so full?
"If our forefathers had been aetheist then who knows were the hell we would be." Our forefathers could never have predicted 200 some odd years down the road. This kinda ties into my last remark... that is why we have laws. It is up to you as a person, with moral character, to follow them. By the way, did you drop the "H" bomb?
"The one satisfaction I have is; when an aetheist or a darwinst lays on his deathbed, he will be afraid." So people who are on their death bed who dont believe the same as you makes you happy? That is satisfying? Don't the bible say that you should be compassionate?
"science can not help you." you better never go to the doctor's or the hospital again... all the drugs that are made to make you feel better? Yeah, that was SCIENCE that created it.
"Science tries to do what God does, to create men." It is against the law to clone humans. Any Scientist that thinks that it is ok to clone humans needs to be shot! But that is just my opinion.
"only God can create people." So should my girlfriend be going after God for child support then? Proven scientific fact: It takes a human sperm and a human egg to create human life.
"And only after death, will this question finally be resolved to those no-belivers who think that all you will do is rot in the ground." And this will be proven how? Cause one might come to you and tell you that after he has died?
You still have a LOT to learn about your religion. Whatever you do, dont become a preacher!
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Posted by hater22
on 2007-12-15 22:14:21
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I have no intention of becoming precher, my grandfather fills those shoes. I merely enjoy talking about big issues. I have realized it is useless to debate a topic with someone who is faithful to science because Science seems to have an answer for just about everything. When we all die someday we will know the truth, I just hope you live an honorable life, so that if you are wrong you won't pay with your soul.
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Posted by KeenanEnigmaMcCoy
on 2007-12-16 08:14:24
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awww, keenan, see, this is why I am proud to be American, I can have my own opinion on things. This isn't a debate, I am just letting you know my opinion. You said that you "enjoy talking about big issues." Is religion a Big Issue" for you.... cause when people debate on issues....., issues are problems. So whats the problem?
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Posted by hater22
on 2007-12-16 10:50:23
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I believe, I believe,
I have Faith, It's true.
I believe, I believe...
But Why?... Cos' I Do.
"The one satisfaction I have is; when an aetheist or a darwinst lays on his deathbed, he will be afraid."
This is the kind of moral virtue I have come to expect from creationists. The kind that derives pleasure out of the suffering of others. The emotional blackmail of fear, for the suffering you believe I will have to endure for all eternity, in that place you call Hell.
Well my petty, vengeful friend, you can take this arrogant, sadistic assumption (that I will die in fear, then go to hell), and bash it right up yer dung funnel. You don't frighten me with your emotional blackmail.
What kind of loathsome, depraved individual could muster any sort of emotion, other than morose pity, for another person whom, they truly believe is going to such a place?
I am grateful to nature, that I have the capacity to fashion my own moral guidance systems and derive an understanding of fairness and compassion without the need of a supernatural deity.
While I am alive, as an atheist, I am all the more moved to make the most of life and enjoy every moment I can and learn from the few I cant. Atheism is the reason I get out of bed with enthusiasm. I must derive meaning for my own life and make every moment count, because I will only be here for a while.
Unlike the creationist, I do not not mollycoddle myself with the convenient and comforting fantasy, of an everlasting life in bliss.
You talk about it being easy *not* to believe in God. Well if heaven is not a psychological crutch that makes it easier to accept the creationist dogma, I don't know what is.
As far as reasoning goes, what is easy is this:
When faced with something unexplained, it is easy, to not look for evidence, not demonstrate good reasoning, not estimate probabilities and to ignore facts. What is easy is to install a supernatural fix up into the gaps of understanding and Just say 'Goddidit'.
But cheer up you have inspired me: On my deathbed I will try to remember you and before I pass from this place, I will forgive you for your hatred and pettiness. Right now, I would prefer to spit in you face and piss on your foot, for declaring you will get pleasure out of my moment of death.
I will not fear my passing no matter what you say and you have no right to speak on behalf of my thoughts. If I tell you that my convictions are solid, you have no just or reasonable grounds to do anything but take me at my word.
Now, Having remembered and forgiven you, I should then call upon one of your holly-persons to sit with me a while. I should make an explicit caveat, that I consider your holly trinity to be mythical fictitious being.
Then, to whatever extent it can be considered meaningful to denounce something which doesn't exist, I should then like to denounce your holly spirit, your messiah and your God, as the evil inspiration for countless barbaric atrocities, acts of anti-intellectual oppression, pious, dictatorial, moralistic, fascism and ignorant insult to the beauty and wonder of nature.
I will dedicate my ceremony of vehement repudiation in honor of you Keenan, in gratitude for having inspired it, by all you have said here.
So Thanks
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Posted by Skepticus
on 2007-12-17 08:59:12
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Oh, and BTW. You might like to break your text up into paragraphs, for visual and conceptual clarity. And why not use the spell checker? Isn't it working on your end?
Also as creationist, you should know the difference between a 'profit' and a 'prophet'. The prophet is inspired by profits, but the profit is made by prophets. Don't let the tax inspector catch you worshiping false profits.
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Posted by Skepticus
on 2007-12-17 10:25:34
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Keenan, I like what you've said in this post and the un-revised one. Religion to me is a very important topic and so is the real truth that (hopefully) we meet after death. I hope to hear more from your posts on any subject because I like your opinions. So far they've shown that I'm not the only one who believes the way I do about God. Thanks and hope to see you again.
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Posted by Questioned_Man
on 2007-12-19 12:40:05
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I think you can know the truth in this life without waiting to get to the "other side" :)
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Posted by SubTomato
on 2007-12-25 09:38:50
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So much time has passed sine I posted this...I'm well on my way to being an atheist now. I see where every one is coming from, I have been on both sides of the coin...and only now do I see. Logic and reasoning are the best tools we have as humans, and Science has always been the answer to OUR problems. Not some God in the clouds.
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Posted by KeenanEnigmaMcCoy
on 2008-08-23 16:48:22
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