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 God Kills His Own Children?
I have heard many people say that they cannot accept an ideology where God causes suffering, such as natural disasters, poverty, pain, or emotional distress, and that God is mean; so for this, they reject any idea of God, because that person wants to believe that God is all good, and doesn't do bad things to punish his children.

And this sort of makes sense, because how could an all loving, all giving God, possibly allow bad things to happen to "his children" who he loves ...

Before I go any further, let me say that my particular views are deeply rooted in, and influenced by Christianity.

It is my personal belief that God doesn't punish his children while on earth, and then punish them again after their death, like double jeopardy, because that would seem unjust, therefore making God unjust, and thusly imperfect and undesirable as a God. 

As a matter of fact, he never wanted to punish his children at all, but rather he gave them everything in the garden of Eden, and in return he asked only that they not eat of the "forbidden fruit" of the poisonous tree.  Adam and Eve were given free will, because a dictatorial love is not love at all, and love that is freely given is the purest kind of love.

Once Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they were no longer within his protection, and had been subjected to evil, which is intolerable in Heaven since it is not pure love.  It was not God punishing them, it was God trying to protect his children by telling them not to "eat of the poisonous tree" (disobey Him).  Hell was created for Satan and his followers, and it existed before Adam and Eve, Hell was not created for Adam and Eve.

Many people forget just how powerful Satan is, let's not forget that Lucifer (Satan) was an angel who had more power than anything existing in Heaven other than God himself, and that power still exists today.  But in order for Heaven to remain immaculately pure, Satan had to be cast out.  God even loved Lucifer, and never wanted him to be cast out of Heaven.

What Father wants to kill his children, or for them to be cast into an eternal hellfire ... OK, maybe Charles Manson, but he would not be a very good father anyway, and is certainly not worthy of the title "God".

My point is that God doesn't bring despair onto his children, but God cannot protect his children that do not obey him.  In the instance of a tidal wave, those who are saved from death are blessed by God, and those that are swept away are not being punished by God, but rather  did not obey Him, and therefore they remained outside His protection.

If God took a persons life on earth as punishment for their actions, He would not be able to justify judging them a second time after their death, because that would be an imperfect justice, and since God is perfect ...

Did I over-simplify this issue, or did I just make it more complicated?  These are just my personal impressions that seem to make sense to me, and I thought they might make sense to someone else also. 

- Thom

    Posted by Hugh_Pizmehoff on 2009-11-04 13:14:57 | Rating: | Views: 68
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I respect what you have to say, because I've thought about this many times before. With that being said, one of the things you said has me wondering something. Forgive me but I tend to get a little wordy, as you're about to find out.

"In the instance of a tidal wave, those who are saved from death are blessed by God, and those that are swept away are not being punished by God, but rather did not obey Him, and therefore they remained outside His protection."

What about babies that haven't had a chance to go against God? My best friend believes that God takes babies/children to punish the parents for their sins. This is something that I absolutely can not believe, maybe because I don't want to believe that God is a God who would do something like that.

I believe that God has a reason for everything. When God cast Satan out of Heaven we were given free will. We were allowed to choose from right and wrong and it's up to us as to which we choose. Do I think that when I get to those Pearly Gates I'll be pulled aside and asked about the many wrong doings? Most definitely. Do I fear that moment, you betcha. I wonder what makes someone go to Hell. Is it a fact that they sinned over and over again but still believed in God? Is it that they asked God for forgivness (repented) but continued to sin anyway? Or is it that they just didn't believe? They didn't repent, they didn't do anything to "save" themselves. What sends a person to Hell?

Posted by  Whitters  on 2009-11-04 13:40:58 
  
20 minutes with out power and the internet does it for me
Posted by  skip1957  on 2009-11-04 14:02:53 
  
Skip,

At least you wont go to Hell for it ... LOL ... cause I think you need the internet and MapQuest to find it! ... LOL

Posted by  Hugh_Pizmehoff  on 2009-11-04 17:03:04 
  
Whitters,

I knew before I posted this that the "baby" question would come up, and what I believe is that God is neither "punishing" the parents or the child, and that no child is judged before the child has reached the "age of accountability" meaning that the child has the ability to discern right from wrong.

As for the rest of your questions, all have an element of truth to them.

God offers forgiveness because without forgiveness true love cannot exist. Because a person asks forgiveness, does not define repentance; but when the person asks for forgiveness and then makes a genuine effort not to sin again, that would be closer to the definition of repentance.

Jesus said, "The only way to the Father is through me"; so a person must first believe, that is quite clear to me.

As for those who "didn't save themselves", I suppose that since God is always there and ready and willing to forgive, and if we don't ask forgiveness, don't believe, and continue sinning without remorse for our ways ... I suppose those people go to hell.

"Behold, I have fore told you all things" -Jesus Christ

Keep in mind that these are my personal beliefs and I am not a theologian or biblical scholar.

"Seek and you shall find" -Jesus Christ

- Thom

Posted by  Hugh_Pizmehoff  on 2009-11-04 14:12:13 
  
God doesn't cause misfortune. When trouble comes, the result is that His final authority is made obvious. He doesn't have to start things, to ginish them.
Posted by  GeorgesBlog  on 2009-11-04 15:46:09 
  
Thanks for answering.

Ok so I have another question, I'm full of em. Lets say there's a sin that you know is a sin, but for whatever reason you don't stop sinning this one sin. You do good in every other aspect of your life, except this one dreaded gray area. Is that enough to keep someone out of Heaven?
Obviously I know I'm just getting your opinion, but I find your opinions to be very interesting.
Posted by  Whitters  on 2009-11-04 15:51:53 
  
Whitters,

I suppose that if you know that it is a sin, and continue to do it, you have not truly repented, and are not really remorseful because you continue the same behavior without asking for forgiveness or even make an effort to change.

I am loaded with sin, but I am sorry for it, because I understand how much of a better place this world would be without it, and that I have disappointed God. I would be absolutely miserable if I thought that there was an eternal hellfire waiting for me with no chance of redemption; and if that was the case, I would have no reason or motivation for changing my behavior, because I would be condemned with no chance of ever having anything more than Hell.

Only Satan wants people to go to Hell - not God.

"The Spirit is strong, but the flesh is weak". - Jesus Christ

- Thom

Posted by  Hugh_Pizmehoff  on 2009-11-04 16:57:35 
  
hmm.. God and I are having a bumpy time in our relationship right now, so.. I may have to reflect on this a bit more before I really comment.
Posted by  Country_girl  on 2009-11-04 19:44:03 
  
CG,

Don't worry, He wont kill you.

- Thom

Posted by  Hugh_Pizmehoff  on 2009-11-05 09:12:34 
  
Nice story. Particularly like the bit about Lucifer.
Posted by  stevehayes13  on 2009-11-04 21:58:40 
  
Steve,

I wish I could take credit, but I am not the original author.

- Thom

Posted by  Hugh_Pizmehoff  on 2009-11-05 09:13:54 
  
Very good blog Thom:)
Posted by  SnoopsMama  on 2009-11-05 15:49:44 
  
After reading all this, I'm not sure if I have all the answers now or just need to go to confession..........amen
Posted by  uncle_charlie  on 2009-11-06 16:18:11 
  
Charlie,

I am sure it is comforting to know that you will not be stricken with a flesh eating virus (on some other disease) if you don't go to confession ... Don't you think so?

- Thom

Posted by  Hugh_Pizmehoff  on 2009-11-06 18:26:57 
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